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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| any teacher lays a hand on my child i will hit them with a spiked bat. |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
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As much as I think beating is wrong...
I agree with Pkang here.
She was asking for it.
She basically gave lip to her teacher right there. No respect, made him lose face in front of all the kids... Teachers cornered to take some action to this attitude student, he's not going to give in to her obviously, so he lost it and WAPOW.
I think if kids are stupid enough to challenge adults they get what they deserve. This girl needs to learn manners or some life rules... maybe it should be beaten into her.
I mean, imagine if this girl gave you the same attitude on the street. I'd beat the crap out of her, hell I might even kill her out of sheer anger. I read a story about a man who strangled his wife because she fell asleep while he was talking. Disrespect is a recipe for violence. |
If she truly had an injury, and couldn't continue, then what do you suggest she should have done?
Are you sure she was confrontational in how she mentioned this to him. Seems to me, from the early part of the video, she wasn't (if one can even tell).
So if she was injured, then what should she have done? |
I watched that video again,
At first I thought she did not provoke him. But if you hear carefully she does give him lip.
Doesn't matter if she mouthed off or not. Nobody in a position of authority over a child should hit the child regardless of what the child does. That is part of what being a teacher and an adult is all about. You fail at life if you fail to recognize this.
Also, watch his body language, he's pretty calm in the beginning until she says something which gets a rise out of him. I don't understand Korean but I really wish someone would translate what she says. sounds like "Box su box" or something...
Once again, if you are an adult, you really shouldn't have a problem not responding to the baiting of a CHILD! That's one of the things that differentiates an adult from a child. I pity you that you don't know this intuitively.
Anyways, If she didn't give him lip or provoke him (Which I find hard to believe because he was angry at her for SOME reason) then he should lose his job and never be able to work in education ever again.
Absolute and total bullshit. This was a grown man attacking a middle school girl. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SHE SAID TO HIM! THE GUY IS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SCUM FOR ABUSING HIS POSITION OF AUTHORITY. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE COWARD FOR ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO HE IS WELL AWARE WILL NOT FIGHT BACK. Oh, btw, you are a total piece of shit for apologizing for this kind of behavior.
Still based on that video... I think this girl has a major attitude problem.
Lots of kids have attitude problems. They don't get hit in the face with sticks.
Called me old fashioned, but kids should respect their elders and their teachers.
Call me old-fasioned, but adults should do something to earn the respect of their students. Moron.
She obviously did something from the get go to warrant his wrath.
Yeah, like maybe she stood up for herself. Break out the stick! Dumb bitch spoke up for herself!!!!
Obviously he let his emotions get in the way (which was wrong no matter what) but I'm more sympathetic to the teacher here because shes putting him in a "fight or flight" mode.
She is putting him in a difficult situation? You're an idiot. The teacher is in control of the situation. The teacher is the one who puts the students in that situation, and the teacher is the one who escalates the situation even though it's very obviously clear that other students are watching. You are an idiot and you fail at life.
Also, at the end of the hitting... something about her tone of voice just makes me want to beat her too.
Something about your writing makes me want to give you a code red. And I bet you deserve it more than the girl in the video.
Again, I don't believe in corporal punishment, but because this generation is spoiled, the school system in Korea has found the "love stick" as their only resort for discipline. I don't blame them.
Actually, I was explained by a teacher there's some sort of weird mythology with hitting and a teacher student relationship in Korea. I didn't understand it when she explained it but apparently in the olden days it was actually the student who would be grateful for the lesson learned.
Yeah, that's exactly what teacher's tell themselves when they feel guilty for putting a kid in a wheelchair. "The student is grateful."
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lol you call me childish? While not keeping a debate civil and resorting to name calling?
You obviously misunderstood my entire post and totally excluded the fact I said I don't believe in corporal punishment. So all your attacks on me are attacking each premise at a time without addressing properly the conclusion.
I simply am stating I understand the situation from both sides (mostly the teachers because I'm playing devils advocate)
Your entire basis for calling me a "moron" is under the assumption that I believe what he did was right. If you READ or PROPERLY understood, there are all these things I'd like to call clues... you would realize I don't condone what he did, but I certainly can understand it. (So ultimately are you saying I'm a jackass because I have the ability to empathize with both sides?)
Here's one:
"Obviously he let his emotions get in the way (which was wrong no matter what)"
Heres another:
"Anyways, If she didn't give him lip or provoke him (Which I find hard to believe because he was angry at her for SOME reason) then he should lose his job and never be able to work in education ever again. "
And another:
"Again, I don't believe in corporal punishment, but because this generation is spoiled, the school system in Korea has found the "love stick" as their only resort for discipline. I don't blame them. "
My writing style is that of a synthesist. I'm merely bringing up points I believe are interesting to note... and not repeating what everyone else has said. I could parrot all this crap about "OHHH poor kid Ohhh poor girl ohhh beating bad". But all that's been stated.
And once again, thank you. I'm quite satisfied I can still ruffle a few feathers of emotional extremists on this forum.
Wow chill thundarr. Slow down and read. I know a guy who sells zantax let me know if you need any. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Eze. what type of place do you work at? Do you see this every day or something that it doesn't affect you like it does us? |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| Eze. what type of place do you work at? Do you see this every day or something that it doesn't affect you like it does us? |
Actually, I work in a tame place in Daegu, but that doesn't affect my analysis.
Hoenst to God my opinion is: Beating is wrong.
But like I mentioned I'm a sythesist and I only mention interesting points or ideas that haven't been brought up before.
Morality can be cultural... Things like incest and canabilism used to be accepted in some cultures (extinct now). Everyone thinks they know what morality is... we can all say canabilism is wrong, but given certain situations it can be accepted and necessary for survival. Am I rocking the too much? Is this too much shrooming for you mind? lol
Those who are adamant against beatings have to realize that beating is not some universal moral wrong. In some cases it's warranted, such as in the case of a general controlling his troops from mutinity. Or if students begin a violent racist ralley, etc...
Look at this way. If beating didn't take place in some schools and in some situations, there would be total lack of control and utter chaos would reign in Korean schools. Kids would have no education and have dismal futures working at McDonalds (no offense to those who work there). Force the hand now then or let them suffer later.
Although that is not the case here. Of course it got out of hand and that teacher was way out of control.
HOWEVER, I believe this girl whipped the lion enough times to make it jump. As a pyshcological behaviorist, everyone reacts to cecrtain situations based upon the enviroment. This student said something to this teacher to get him angry. I can UNDERSTAND why he did it. Of course with our western point of view it's easy to point fingers and say he is wrong. But you have to put yourself in this culture, in this enviroment, in that situation, in his shoes, to fully understand why he did what he did. This is complete empathy and detachment from YOUR conceptinos of what is right and wrong.
Of course you can say "Oh I'd never hit my students, that's so wrong" you have to keep in mind you grew up in a western enviroment where disicpline is enforced though other means like detention. Korea doesn't have that luxury (because of hagwon) and can only control these kids through corporal punishment.
Post too long, I'm stopping here |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Minor point, she is a high school student. Looks like a 2nd year high school student (so 17/18ish years old), if you notice the hanging sign by the entrance to the classroom. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe some of you are saying the girl actually deserved it. Why? Becuz she talked back to the teacher???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgX3aWxIC9c
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What do you think the teacher should have done in this scenario then? Shoot the kid? If you can't control your emotions, then you shouldn't be a teacher in the first place.
p.s.
BTW, the clip is from a drama called 'the Wire' on HBO. The new U.S. president's favorite TV show.  |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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My girlfriend watched the video, but she didn't really listen at the beginning (where I said she swears at him).
After he hits her in the face she asks him 'why did you hit me in the face?' or something like that. Pretty understandable that she would say that, methinks. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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I watched the clip again and I suspect it may have been a set-up. I mean, why was someone videotaping a row of students doing 20 squats for being late unless she expected something to happen? Now, maybe that teacher routinely bashes kids on the head and it was about time someone called him on it. Or maybe several students decided that one of them would do her worst to set him off and see what they could get on tape. You notice that when a few swats to the backside still doesn't doesn't get the point across she says something else that makes the teacher snap. And do you ever see her point to an injury and yell 'Apaeyo!' like you'd expect any injured student with half a brain to do? I wonder if the student can even produce any evidence that she had an injury that prevented her from being able to do a few squats.
In any event, this teacher was still a major moron who needs a lesson in self-control if he expects to be able to set an example to teach his students any self-control. In a case like that he should have just hauled her away and let her spend an hour kneeling outside the staff room, and then hand her over to another teacher to punish. That way she doesn't get a rise out of him in front of everyone and fails in her attempt to insult that particular teacher personally.
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ppcg4
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I mean, imagine if this girl gave you the same attitude on the street. I'd beat the crap out of her, hell I might even kill her out of sheer anger. I read a story about a man who strangled his wife because she fell asleep while he was talking. Disrespect is a recipe for violence. |
Please leave this country immediately. You're a disgrace to foreign teachers here. |
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crosbystillsstash
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Korean Male teacher with "love stick" = insecure frustrated loser.
It's not only male teachers who do this in Korea by the way. I've seen a female teacher smack a 5th grader six or seven times untill the student was on the ground. Nothing happened. That teacher is right now a a public school homeroom teacher.
People who say the students deserved a beating to need one themselves. |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I mean, imagine if this girl gave you the same attitude on the street. I'd beat the crap out of her, hell I might even kill her out of sheer anger. I read a story about a man who strangled his wife because she fell asleep while he was talking. Disrespect is a recipe for violence. |
Please leave this country immediately. You're a disgrace to foreign teachers here. |
That's totally taken out of context,
That's a hyperbole to show that disrespect can provoke physical violence.
I'm honest to god sick of people who don't read everything and attack premises without reading the conclusion. I'm tempted to resort to name calling but that would me make as illogical as you. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| KOREAN_MAN wrote: |
I can't believe some of you are saying the girl actually deserved it. Why? Becuz she talked back to the teacher???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgX3aWxIC9c
@1:07
What do you think the teacher should have done in this scenario then? Shoot the kid? If you can't control your emotions, then you shouldn't be a teacher in the first place.
p.s.
BTW, the clip is from a drama called 'the Wire' on HBO. The new U.S. president's favorite TV show. |
How serious do you think Koreans think this is? I am not sure so many Koreans think it is such a big deal. They are desensitized, perhaps, to this, because many of them have been beaten when they went to school. I was talking to a colleague of mine, and he didn't think too much of such things. He talked about he got beaten. Of course, there are plenty of students who hate that. I've had some elementary school students say they dislike the teachers who hit them. We sometimes think corporal punishment might be good, because many of our youths have gone out of control especially in the major urban areas. What about having more parental involvement, better TV programming, more social programs in the bad areas of the country etc.... |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Its really simple folks:
Follow the rules and you won't be punished.
Do you think those students were doing squats because they were well behaved and attentive in class?
I have a couple students who have NEVER been disciplined at school? Why? Because THEY FOLLOW THE RULES!!!
What a novel idea. Follow the rules, you don't get punished. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Very good, Schulz, very good |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I watched the clip again and I suspect it may have been a set-up. I mean, why was someone videotaping a row of students doing 20 squats for being late unless she expected something to happen? Now, maybe that teacher routinely bashes kids on the head and it was about time someone called him on it. Or maybe several students decided that one of them would do her worst to set him off and see what they could get on tape. You notice that when a few swats to the backside still doesn't doesn't get the point across she says something else that makes the teacher snap. And do you ever see her point to an injury and yell 'Apaeyo!' like you'd expect any injured student with half a brain to do? I wonder if the student can even produce any evidence that she had an injury that prevented her from being able to do a few squats.
In any event, this teacher was still a major moron who needs a lesson in self-control if he expects to be able to set an example to teach his students any self-control. In a case like that he should have just hauled her away and let her spend an hour kneeling outside the staff room, and then hand her over to another teacher to punish. That way she doesn't get a rise out of him in front of everyone and fails in her attempt to insult that particular teacher personally. |
Good to see someone is using his head. I thought this as well when I took a gander. I agree with this post totally. Someday, somewhere, the majority of the population will stop thinking with their hands and the notion will spread. Wouldn't that be a great day for humanity?
Imagine someone pulling this in Georgia or Nebraska. Imagine him or her pulling it in Cally. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Its really simple folks:
Follow the rules and you won't be punished.
Do you think those students were doing squats because they were well behaved and attentive in class?
I have a couple students who have NEVER been disciplined at school? Why? Because THEY FOLLOW THE RULES!!!
What a novel idea. Follow the rules, you don't get punished. |
You do know that parents and teachers routinely beat their kids for doing poorly on exams? Savagery. |
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