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ddeubel

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Why did Obama do so well? |
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What are your thoughts about why Obama did so well? (other than the dismal failure and incompetence of Bush).
I've really noticed something salient and small but which I think has truly been a genius marketing idea by Obama's team (and let's face it, an election is all about "marketing").
Obama's team uses music, upbeat music explicitly, to manufacture a very subconscious belief and attachment within the audience and listener. Always, in news interviews, on site, there is an upbeat song playing..... I think this subtle thing has been major in terms of the success of their campaign.
Also -- a great job focusing on voter registration / organization on the ground.
Also -- Obama's own "coolness".....this character trait really won over some voters.
What else?
DD
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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The economy is bad.
The fundementals of the US economy are strong if oil is 30 or 40 dollars a barrel. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Only outsiders are surprised. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Obama got a MAJOR boost from the media.
I distinctly remember the 2004 election when Obama was elected Senator of Illinois. I'm in Virginia watching, and I see his acceptance speech in the middle of the Kerry-Bush race. After his speech, many pundits are praising him.
That planted the seed. I knew then and there that he would be running for President one day. I didn't expect him to be running so soon.
Another key factor that helped Obama was Hillary Clinton. The Obama-Clinton fight for Democrat nomination was covered to death. YOu couldn't open your eyes without seeing something about it everywhere. Meanwhile, the Republican nomination was just a backpage event. No one talked about it, and no one cared.
By the end of the Clinton-Obama nomination, jsut about everyone in America knew everything about Obama and Clinton. When Obama won the nomination, that was pretty much the climax. Its like people said, "What? There's another guy? Didn't Obama just win?"
Mark my words, Obama is not the answer for the USA's problems right now. He will do his best to fix things in the short term, and leave a huge mess for the long term. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is the better candidate. That's all. |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
Obama got a MAJOR boost from the media. |
How about
*black voters (duh)
*young voters (young and stupid)
*hispanic voters (culturally afraid of conservatives)
*new voters (starstruck)
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Obama got them all. He got all the fringes, and together, the fringe sum totals just more than the mainstream.
(Pardon my own comments above. I'm still choking on my sandwich.) |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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ReeseDog wrote: |
the fringe sum totals just more than the mainstream.
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That's another way of saying that now the "fringe" IS the mainstream ... this might be something you will have to get used to. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Why? A few names spring to mind ... such as McCain, Palin, Bush, and Cheney. But he's most fortunate that Bush's economic hens came home to roost right before the end of the campaign. 50%+ of Americans have no problem voting for a government that supports invasions and torture, but hit their finances and they sure take it personally. |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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The Bobster wrote: |
ReeseDog wrote: |
the fringe sum totals just more than the mainstream.
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That's another way of saying that now the "fringe" IS the mainstream ... this might be something you will have to get used to. |
"The fringe" becoming mainstream is not new. Hippies calmed down and regained their senses. All things move in cycles. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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It was the DREAM, and this is what Unity is all about. We now have a man who is sincere in the realization that this is America.
Oh, and McCain sucks. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Did well? 51% of the popular vote vs 48, according to CNN. Regardless, he's done great with electoral votes.
Upbeat music? McCain too. Many more important factors culminated:
Bush has become very unpopular along with his party -- this stigma carried on to McCain. This is the most poignant factor, as average Joes are embracing a slightly more socialist change in the face of economic crises. Banking regulations and a slightly less gung-ho Uncle sam appealed to the masses, as long as this change meant more certainty for the future. Obama also has great appeal: Christians, hippies, whites, blacks, gays, socialists, average Joes, families, educated elite, and young people all flocked to Obama moreso than Mccain. Some segments of US society have turned out to vote for the first time, while demographics are changing quickly. (White populations shrinking; blacks, hispanics, asians increasing..) The US is broke; a culture of entitlement looks much more appealing than a DIY job while navigating an economic sh!tstorm uphill while fighting a couple wars. |
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ReeseDog

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Kikomom wrote: |
It was the DREAM, and this is what Unity is all about. We now have a man who is sincere in the realization that this is America.
Oh, and McCain sucks. |
I honestly didn't think you'd go there. You're such a lady. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Kikomom wrote: |
It was the DREAM, and this is what Unity is all about. We now have a man who is sincere in the realization that this is America.
Oh, and McCain sucks. |
It's not a dream; it's been an eight-year festering mess and now finally someone can put on the gloves and start trying to clean it up. In eight years time you'll be able to see whether the dream's come true or not. |
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ReeseDog

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Kikomom wrote: |
It was the DREAM, and this is what Unity is all about. We now have a man who is sincere in the realization that this is America.
Oh, and McCain sucks. |
It's not a dream; it's been an eight-year festering mess and now finally someone can put on the gloves and start trying to clean it up. In four years time you'll be able to see whether the dream's come true or not. |
Fixed. Here we go...  |
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emilylovesyou
Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: here
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bush and his administration pretty much changed all images of republicans and the Republican party, especially their ideals and beliefs. For those who are not Republican, the Republican party is associated with Bush and these changes. For those who are Republican and who want a return to pre-Bush Republicanism, it's a tough turn around since there are so many who see Republicans and see Bush.
I think that's why Obama won - yeah he's a great speaker and something different than the last 8 years. But he did an excellent job of marketing himself as something drastically different than the Republican Party/Bush, and making it seem like McCain will be another Bush (although his stance on many issues is very different). |
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