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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Okay, I'll be knocked around for saying what everyone is only thinking but still, in America, a black guy who was born and raised in the inner cities would never get elected. Never. Not yet. But I think this baby step is going to speed that up..... |
I don't see it happening. For one, they don't represent America. The black population is 11% and the inner city black is probably half that.
It's kind of like expecting an 100%-blood Inuit Eskimo from the Northern Territory to knock Stephen Harper out as Prime Minister of Canada.
People elect on who is the most representative, not on who is the least representative. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Both candidates had severe 'headwinds' to combat this time around. I think Obama was able to persuade 52% that he has the strength of character, calmness in a storm and eloquence. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
ddeubel wrote: |
Okay, I'll be knocked around for saying what everyone is only thinking but still, in America, a black guy who was born and raised in the inner cities would never get elected. Never. Not yet. But I think this baby step is going to speed that up..... |
I don't see it happening. For one, they don't represent America. The black population is 11% and the inner city black is probably half that.
It's kind of like expecting an 100%-blood Inuit Eskimo from the Northern Territory to knock Stephen Harper out as Prime Minister of Canada.
People elect on who is the most representative, not on who is the least representative. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: |
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He won for so many reasons, but imo, at the top of the list, Americans just want a change and Obama is as different from Bush and his current administration as is possible. He and the campaign he ran was all about change. If the economy were doing well and there was no war in Iraq, I don't know if Obama would have won this year. He'd be the same man, but the political landscape would have been entirely different.
1. Economy has tanked. So much for letting the private sector run business. Traditional Republican "hands off" approach to the private sector is not working. People are losing their jobs, homes and the country is in crisis mode. The economy has hit the middle class the hardest but even the rich are feeling the pinch in their pockets. We need some sort of government intervention/ regulation yet many Americans have lost faith in their current government. They want change.
2. War in Iraq is a disaster. The Bush Doctrine is a failure. Why did we invade Iraq? Why are we still there? Obama strongly opposed the war in Iraq from the very beginning. People want change. They want out of Iraq and Obama is promising to deliver.
3. Sarah Palin. Seriously. If McCain even stood a chance of winning, he sealed the nail in his own coffin when he picked this bimbo as his VP running mate.
I don't want to take away from all of Obama's positives - he appears to be very intelligent, hardworking, inspiring and grounded in reality, and he surrounds himself with smart advisors, so I hope he can deliver, but the biggest things he had working for him in his favor during the race were not his positives but the negatives associated with the current Presidential administration. Basically, Bush and his cronies f*cked up the country and people want anything but Bush and another 8 years of Republicans running the White House. Democrats dominated the Congressional races this year as well. Not a McCain fan, but he's far from the worst Presidential candidate - he might have stood a chance if times were different, but too bad that he just happens to be a Republican at a time when it's extremely unpopular to be Republican and to be associated with Bush in any shape, way or form. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Obama appealed to the 2% of the American people who switched from voting in Bush to voting him in.
2%.
Virginia went blue, but it WASN'T because of Obama. George Allen lost his Senate seat 4 years ago, Tim Kaine was elected Governor, and John Warner retired, paving the way for Mark Warner.
The most populous area in Virginia is the Northern Virginia (Fairfax, Arlingotn, Alexandria, Loudon) counties and those areas are very Blue.
It just so happens that the Northern Virginia area is the fast gorw3ing area in Virginia. Why not? Its has all the big businesses and the jobs.
Virginia changed from Red to Blue due to demographics, NOT because everyone changed their minds.
Prior to Tim Kaine being elected Governor, we had Mark Warner as the Governor, and elected in 2002. Mark Warner was from Northern Virginia area, and he policies benefited that area greatly. So, Mark Warner is the reason that Virginia went from Red to Blue.
All you Obamalites should remember that 49% of the country voted for McCain. Don't get it into your head that Obama being elected was a sign that everyone in America supports what he is doing. |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
All you Obamalites should remember that 49% of the country voted for McCain. Don't get it into your head that Obama being elected was a sign that everyone in America supports what he is doing. |
I'd place odds that your avatar supported him. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
All you Obamalites should remember that 49% of the country voted for McCain. Don't get it into your head that Obama being elected was a sign that everyone in America supports what he is doing. |
47% actually and possibly dipping down to 46% once the rest of the California votes and the Atlanta area early ballots get counted.
I guess numbers are stuff are hard for a member of the Party of Palin  |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Kuros keenly noted:
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Only outsiders are surprised. |
Don't you just love all these outside commentators like the OP of this thread who think they are intimately engaged with American politics?
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I've really noticed something salient and small but which I think has truly been a genius marketing idea by Obama's team (and let's face it, an election is all about "marketing"). |
Having a war chest bursting at the seams does wonders for marketing, as does hoodwinking your opponent into relying on public donations at the outset of the campaign.
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Obama's team uses music, upbeat music explicitly, to manufacture a very subconscious belief and attachment within the audience and listener. Always, in news interviews, on site, there is an upbeat song playing..... I think this subtle thing has been major in terms of the success of their campaign. |
Could you be more superficial in your analysis? First off, it isn't even true; nothing unique about his campaign's use of music. Second, I doubt most voters were victims of subliminal mood enhancers.
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Also -- a great job focusing on voter registration / organization on the ground. |
I'll assume you aren't include ACORN in that mix. But, yes, Plouffe, Axelrod and company did a bang-up job of getting the vote out.
Now if we could only hear from the real insider on this forum on this issue: MilwaukieDave. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Middleman,
thanks for agreeing with everything I said and not admitting it. You're style, just like your persona. hidden, anonymous, ASHAMED OF WHO YOU ARE. Further, no substance or adding anything to the discussion. Fluff.
Like I said before, you are in the middle, a mere condiment. I'm still deciding on the color but leaning towards yellow...
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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And the Freakstar delivers once again. That's super star writing in my book. Great post.
I hope to see a revolution of change that makes America more right. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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He is charismatic and an intelligent person...
He knows how to hold a crowd and keep their attention.
He offers HOPE!
Everyone loves hope!
He is offering change not only in politics but in racism and xenophobia in a nation
He brings people together! He preaches everything we want to hear, he tells it how it should be!
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He speaks from the heart and is honest!
Americans know he is not pulling a bush, speaking all kind and caring and smart, and then once he wins he is like "I said that'?? Oh well... listen to Bush vs Gore debates.. Is that bush??
The American people believe OBAMA, Americans love a STORY and a Hollywood ending! He brings the American dream to life! And not only is he a great character! He has the smarts to pull it off!!
It�s a great day for America! |
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Why?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Obama broke his spending pledge, spening more than $650 million, more than McDonald's made in global profits, and McCain stuck to the spending pledge, spending only $85 million.
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From the start, his biggest problem was finding the money to compete with Barack Obama's $650m (�403m) campaign juggernaut. By accepting federal funding (which Mr Obama declined) he capped his general election campaign spending at $85m (�53m). |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7704246.stm |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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ManintheMiddle wrote: |
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Obama's team uses music, upbeat music explicitly, to manufacture a very subconscious belief and attachment within the audience and listener. Always, in news interviews, on site, there is an upbeat song playing..... I think this subtle thing has been major in terms of the success of their campaign. |
Could you be more superficial in your analysis? First off, it isn't even true; nothing unique about his campaign's use of music. |
I was going to mention that as well.
Bill Clinton had �Don�t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow� by Fleetwood Mac to George Bush�s �Only in America� by Brooks and Dunn.
I recall John McCain got in trouble for using a song earlier in his campaign, as the musician who wrote the song strongly disliked McCain, and didn't want his song being associated with him. (Sorry I forget the song and artist at the moment).
Regardless, music has been a part of campaigns quite heavily in the last 20 years anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if has been much longer even. |
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TheKudzuConnection
Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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I think he won because his policy ideas appealed to more people.
According to CNN, Obama's popular vote tally is 62,532,271 and McCain's is 55,454,540 - 52% to 46%. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul was not presented by the mainstream media as a serious enough candidate to get the nomination. |
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