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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I heard from my left-leaning Australian co-worker (who really likes Obama), that McCain's speech was very touching.
I'll have to watch it tonight, when I get home. |
He did quite well. Apologies in advance for his supporters. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
Welcome back to the world Americans: we have missed you.
Now let's see more of those great ideals for which you stand. |
Do you truly have to speak this way? So presumptively? So condescendingly and paternalistically? Bloody European smugness. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Best part of the day for me is watching John Bolton bristle on the bbc. Man seems to be on the defensive the whole time.
He went into a little rant about the 'surge' only to have the bbc guy look blankly at him and say ..'moving on',,lol. I love the bbc.
They pronounce Obama's name differently which was weird. anyway congrats to Obama. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
Welcome back to the world Americans: we have missed you.
Now let's see more of those great ideals for which you stand. |
Do you truly have to speak this way? So presumptively? So condescendingly and paternalistically? Bloody European smugness. |
I am serious - I welcome you all back. I am very pro-American and truly admire the ideals for which your country stands.
If you choose to read my genuine well-intentioned sentiments as condescending and paternal - do so. They were not so intended.
Again, welcome back after a torrid eight years for us all. |
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catman
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Just for fun I went over to the stormfront forums.
They seem to be taking it rather hard.  |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Can -- as a non-American -- I ask you guys a question about regional voting patterns?
I popped over to the Yahoo! website around lunchtime, and saw that Obama took the Northeast. Like, the WHOLE Northeast.  He also did well in the Midwest, which is no surprise...but I was a little curious about the fact that he also took the whole west coast.
California is no surprise, but do voters in Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and/or Nevada tend to vote the same as California? I figured Nevada would go for McCain, as it is so close to his home state. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain's speech was much classier than Kerry's or Gore's. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Can -- as a non-American -- I ask you guys a question about regional voting patterns?
I popped over to the Yahoo! website around lunchtime, and saw that Obama took the Northeast. Like, the WHOLE Northeast. He also did well in the Midwest, which is no surprise...but I was a little curious about the fact that he also took the whole west coast.
California is no surprise, but do voters in Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and/or Nevada tend to vote the same as California? I figured Nevada would go for McCain, as it is so close to his home state. |
Not only did Obama take the whole Northeast, but now all members of the House of Representatives from New England are Democrats.
California, Oregon, and Washington, with Hawaii, voted for Gore and Kerry in both elections.
Yes, its very much a coastal vs. 'flyover states' dynamic here in the US. I should say it was: N.C., Indiana, and Missouri, are still uncalled, and Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico went for Obama. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
Welcome back to the world Americans: we have missed you.
Now let's see more of those great ideals for which you stand. |
Do you truly have to speak this way? So presumptively? So condescendingly and paternalistically? Bloody European smugness. |
That's rich coming from perhaps the most smug and condescending person on this forum. |
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yawarakaijin
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I have to admit that I am happy Obama came out the victor. McCain's concession speech was very admirable, I wish we had seen more of that McCain during the election. It may have made the race even more interesting.
While I believe Obama is an inspiring individual, I am not ready to hail him as a saviour for all America's illnesses. We will have to see what kind of policies he proposes. Hope is a powerful thing though and I am glad that it has returned to America.
The one thing that I will take from this election as being truly inspirational is the death of the radical right. Well, maybe not the death of it but it's good beating down. I'm proud that Americans were able to see pass the divisiveness of this certain segment of the right.
I'm proud that you won't have a vice-president that believes certain Americans are more patriotic than others. I'm proud that Americans decided that simply being part black and having an "odd" sounding name wasn't enough to make someone a terrorist sympathizer.
More than by Bush's policies I was disgusted by how he brought out the worst in America. I'm glad he will be gone soon.
I feel sorry for McCain. I feel he was co-opted by those who believed the only way to get him elected was to follow the same type of campaign Bush II was used to waging. I think he is going to look back and really kick himself for allowing himself to be connected to those who chose to run a campaign focusing on the fear of the "other". As for his choice of Palin, I don't think it was anyone's fault but his own. She is truly a horrible figure and was only a detriment to his campaign.
I hope the Republican party can recover because a strong two party system is the way to go, I believe. I hope it recovers without the religious right. In fact, if I were a Republican I would seriously consider it time to fracture the party. In all honesty America doesn't need a party that relies on the ignorance and racism of hillbilly bigots and rapture seeking zealots to win them elections. I have no problem with conservatives but a certain portion of the conservative base disgusts me and frightens me to no end. I think America finally woke up. I think the rest of the world is breathing just a little easier. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| I am serious -- I welcome you all back. I am very pro-American and... |
Assert whatever you like.
You do not speak for "the rest of the world." You are not authorized "to welcome us back." You do not get to define what we need to do as far as our inclusion in "the rest of the world" goes. And you certainly do not get to dictate to us what our ideals are and that if we want inclusion we must elect Democrats, who represent them, and not Republicans, who do not, etc.
I knew a B. Obama victory would carry such baggage as this. Just could not say that you were pleased by the results and leave it at that -- but you just had to cross into this territory, huh? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| I am serious -- I welcome you all back. I am very pro-American and... |
Assert whatever you like.
You do not speak for "the rest of the world." You are not authorized "to welcome us back." You do not get to define what we need to do as far as our inclusion in "the rest of the world" goes. And you certainly do not get to dictate to us what our ideals are and that if we want inclusion we must elect Democrats, who represent them, and not Republicans, who do not, etc.
I knew a B. Obama victory would carry such baggage as this. |
Look, I know you've had a rough day and may even be bleeding inside but if I want to welcome you back I am free to so so. I say it from my heart - welcome back.
My message was sincere and genuine. and that you should seek to belittle it shows just how far you did drift.
How you can say I am dictating your ideals to you when I say I admire them: how did you manage to read that? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Can -- as a non-American -- I ask you guys a question about regional voting patterns?
I popped over to the Yahoo! website around lunchtime, and saw that Obama took the Northeast. Like, the WHOLE Northeast. He also did well in the Midwest, which is no surprise...but I was a little curious about the fact that he also took the whole west coast.
California is no surprise, but do voters in Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and/or Nevada tend to vote the same as California? I figured Nevada would go for McCain, as it is so close to his home state. |
West Coast - Oregon, Washington, and California is always VERY BLUE (Democrat/Liberal). Often referred to as the 'LEFT COAST'. I vote in California, which is fairly pointless, as it is always solid blue.
Nevada is the exception this year. It WAS just as red as Arizona, Utah, etc. But from what I understand, MANY Californians have moved into Nevada in recent years (as well as quite a few from the East Coast - New York in particular). It is quite new for it to have changed colors. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I have not had a rough day and no I am not bleeding inside, either. This outcome does not disappoint me in the least. Try again. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| No, I have not had a rough day and no I am not bleeding inside, either. This outcome does not disappoint me in the least. Try again. |
No need: my heartfelt and sincere point has been made. |
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