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Gopher
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 Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: H. Reid Targets J. Lieberman in the Senate... |
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| Sources tell CNN [H.] Reid wants to strip [J.] Lieberman of his Homeland Security Committee chairmanship and offer him the chairmanship of a less high-profile committee. Lieberman reportedly called the proposal "not acceptable." |
I think the Obama Administration would do much better with a less dogmatic, less unforgiving Congressional leadership (H. Reid and N. Pelosi).
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: H. Reid Targets J. Lieberman in the Senate... |
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| Sources tell CNN [H.] Reid wants to strip [J.] Lieberman of his Homeland Security Committee chairmanship and offer him the chairmanship of a less high-profile committee. Lieberman reportedly called the proposal "not acceptable." |
I think the Obama Administration would do much better with a less dogmatic, less unforgiving Congressional leadership (H. Reid and N. Pelosi).
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And where will Lieberman go?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/conservatives-cite-defeats-as-reason-to-move-right/
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After a stinging rebuke of their party on Election Day, a group of soul-searching conservatives who met to map out the future of their movement on Thursday suggested that their best course was to turn their back on more moderate elements of the Republican Party.
And they said that if future candidates for public office want to tap into the vast fund-raising and grassroots resources of the conservative movement, they would have to fit a �job description� holding them to a set of core principles, like fiscal restraint, opposition to abortion, tough border security and a strong national defense. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| If Lieberman is targeted, he may go over to the GOP camp, and they could use another senator, I am sure. The Democrats know they won't have a fillibuster proof majority, and Lieberman is being punished for campaigning for a Republican. I think they should let that one alone. Maybe, Rahm and Obama can talk to Reid about letting this one go this time. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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The Democrats already went after Lieberman in Conn. He defeated them as an Independent.
The election is over and they need to get over it. They bloody won the thing and can afford to show magnanimity. Why so vengeful? Because that seems to characterize Reid and Pelosi, leaders of the 10% approval-rating Congress.
Will this be the Democratic Party and the new Democratic Congress's agenda, then? Settle accounts, win the partisan conflict (rather than end it), hound S. Palin into the ground.
We should follow this story and watch how Congressional Democrats treat Lieberman. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| He should be at the very least stripped of his chairmanship, but I'd like to see him completely kicked out of the D caucus. He's not a Democrat. I'm sure the Republicans will make him feel and home and treat him like a hero just like they did Zell Miller. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Why so vengeful? |
It's just practicality. He's a Republican wolf wearing Democratic wool. He calls himself a dem, but there is nothing else about him that would suggest it. He didn't even win his seat as a dem. There is no possible benefit to allowing him access to power when he has betrayed his own party so much and so often.
He opposes most planks of the party platform and he not only opened opposed his party's candidate but did everything possible to defeat him. There's not even one reason to treat him as a member of the party. Not one. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Why so vengeful? |
It's just practicality. He's a Republican wolf wearing Democratic wool. He calls himself a dem, but there is nothing else about him that would suggest it. He didn't even win his seat as a dem. There is no possible benefit to allowing him access to power when he has betrayed his own party so much and so often.
He opposes most planks of the party platform and he not only opened opposed his party's candidate but did everything possible to defeat him. There's not even one reason to treat him as a member of the party. Not one. |
Bobster,
Let me get this one and save Gopher the trouble...
(clears his throat doing his best Gopher imitation)
You vengeful liberals, why do you mistreat poor Joe Lieberman. What has he done to you? This is just part of the liberal hysteria, yada yada yada... |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Lieberman is being punished for campaigning for a Republican |
It wasn't just one Republican. He campaigned for down ballot candidates as well. He cannot possibly hope to hang on to the reins of power and privilege in a party he actively works against. The party positions he occupies rightly belong to some other party member.
I don't want to see them humiliate him, but they have every right to remove him from power and he has no right to complain of unfair treatment. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher, the Democratic leadership does have a point in going after Lieberman since he campaigned for their rivals. That's a partisan betrayal in mind's eye of many. Do you think Republicans would take kindly to such actions when done by one of their own? I don't think so, but the Democratic leadership could choose to be magnanimous in victory and leave Senator Lieberman alone and not penalize him. I am all for getting every senator on board possible to get things done rather than punishing him. I think what Lieberman did was in bad taste since he was a Democrat, but it happens. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Lieberman is being punished for campaigning for a Republican |
It wasn't just one Republican. He campaigned for down ballot candidates as well. He cannot possibly hope to hang on to the reins of power and privilege in a party he actively works against. The party positions he occupies rightly belong to some other party member.
I don't want to see them humiliate him, but they have every right to remove him from power and he has no right to complain of unfair treatment. |
Ya-ta, you've got it dead on. The positions and posts that are filled by the majority part are at their discretion. If someone is not a member of the party in good standing, then they have no right to the position. They are essentially leadership roles. How can one claim to be a leader in one party, but actively campaign for the other. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| How can one claim to be a leader in one party, but actively campaign for the other. |
It's called having your cake and eating it to. Frankly, I have no problem with Lieberman and his right to diverge from the Democratic party line. But let's call a spade a spade. He's not a Democrat. He served the Democrats well when he was #51, but now he's not needed. He's being voted off the island. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
(clears his throat doing his best Gopher imitation)
You vengeful liberals, why do you mistreat poor Joe Lieberman. What has he done to you? This is just part of the liberal hysteria, yada yada yada... |
Now do me! Do me! |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Reid 'targets' Lieberman, isn't really the right word.
From my understanding, Reid wants him to remain in his position, or make some deal for Lieberman to take another position, but they are working it through. Looks like it will come to a vote among the other Dems though, to see what they decide as a 'democracy' 
Also, keep in mind, Lieberman votes VERY LIBERAL on every issue, except for the pro-Israel, use the U.S. as extensive Israel-protectors in the Middle East region at all costs, even if the U.S. economically goes into the shitter because of it, crowd.
Yeah, he also loved McCain, and was salivating at having US bases all over the region...but when it comes to every other issue that exists in the U.S. that isn't directly Israel-related, he is a very consistent and strong Democrat and votes that way. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| How can one claim to be a leader in one party, but actively campaign for the other. |
It's called having your cake and eating it to. Frankly, I have no problem with Lieberman and his right to diverge from the Democratic party line. But let's call a spade a spade. He's not a Democrat. He served the Democrats well when he was #51, but now he's not needed. He's being voted off the island. |
You'll hear no arguement from me on that. I think it will come down to a vote whether or not to let him continue to caucus with the Democrats.
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Reid 'targets' Lieberman, isn't really the right word.
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TB, you have that one right. Nowhere in the article did the word "targets" appear. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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The Democrats have long targeted Joe Lieberman for exclusion and expulsion, going back as far as his recent reelection to the Senate. They are speaking the language of intolerance as they do this. You may even contribute your name to the list.
But if you dislike my articulating that and would prefer a pro-Democrat euphemism, tough. Spin it any way you like, Harry Reid and company is going after Joe Lieberman. Now that they have a commanding position, they have targeted him.
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Bobster: I would tend to agree with you on this. To the victor go the spoils and all that. Fair is fair and the Democrats now dominate the govt. They may staff their Congressional committees as they please. But just because they can do this does not necessarily mean that they must or that it would be wise.
They can choose another course for American politics. And they are choosing not to do so. That is their prerogative as the party in power. But I disagree. And so does B. Obama, who is inviting all kinds of people who would fail Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi's ideological purity tests into his cabinet, reportedly at least.
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