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leeroy12
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:23 am Post subject: A Korean voice answers |
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Don't you sometimes wish there were more Koreans here to even the balance?
I had a Korean private student here in London for a while, and for some topics of conversation I would come here and find some common "complaints" about Korea, Korean culture, etc... There are plenty! She would then "defend her country", so to speak. I've never been to Korea, and have no ulterior motive here!
Just in case you're interested, here were a few of her responses...
ME: "Koreans marry for money not love"
HA-RIN: Yes, we do. But there is very little social security in Korea - and while you might marry your husband because you love him, if he doesn't have any money then how can you support your children? It's not fair to them - and is selfish. Although it happens to a lesser extent, "marrying for money" happens in western countries too - they are perhaps less open about it though.
"Koreans are racist"
1. Koreans, like most people, are suspicious of the unknown. Most black people in Korea behave very differently and do not mix with the Korean population. Korean attitides to black people reflects this.
2. (to me) If you get on a bus in London with only black people how do you feel? Do you like the areas in London where only black people live? Do you want to live there? Aren't you racist in some ways?
3. Koreans are interested about foreigners, some in a bad way, some in a good way. This is the same in lots of countries.
"Koreans are useless at learning communicative English"
Mostly, Koreans aren't interested in communicating in English. They want a high TOEFL/TOEIC score - and they are well aware that this does not accurately reflect communicative ability. They know the system is stupid - but need to get a job. Most are of the belief that they will rarely use English functionally in their lives.
"Koreans are conformists"
Yes, we are - or at least we have been. The younger generation is much more interested in individualism and self-interest, but this still has to be balanced against the older generation's expectations. In such a densely-packed country such as this, perhaps some level of conformity is required.
"Koreans have a chip on their shoulder about Japan"
Yes, we do. But lots of countries have issues with others - and considering what happened it is understandable, although perhaps not commendable, that we haven't yet "forgotten".
"Korean married men often f*k prostitutes and sleep around"
Yes, this is understood and accepted - though rarely spoken about. This is what men are like, and its better that they do this than divorce and create fractured family problems - Korean society is widely unsupportive for such arrangements. (To me). "There is a problem in Britain with single parent families, right?"
Credit to her, she could stick up for herself! |
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Circus Monkey
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: In my coconut tree
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Sure, it would be nice. But then I remember some Koreans that came on the old board and couldn't argue rationally their way out of a paper bag. Heck, there are some still here like that.
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Good on her for trying, but has she posted here, she'd be attacked, because a lot of her comments just don't hold water.
A few examples-
on the racist issue: "Most black people in Korea behave very differently and do not mix with the Korean population" Which came first chicken or egg here?
prostitution: "This is what men are like, and its better that they do this than divorce and create fractured family problems " Is that why Korea has the second highest divorce rate in the world? |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| prostitution: "This is what men are like, and its better that they do this than divorce and create fractured family problems " Is that why Korea has the second highest divorce rate in the world? |
That's a very new thing. So you've got not only marriages that fell apart recently that are ending, but marriages that fell apart ten years ago (for example) that are also ending because it only recently became socially acceptable.
After a few more years the rate will dramatically drop as the backlog of failed marriages will be cleared out. |
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Down from Above
Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Location: Naju
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Circus Monkey wrote: |
| I remember some Koreans that came on the old board and couldn't argue rationally their way out of a paper bag. Heck, there are some still here like that. |
I've seen this too. Far too emotional at the expense of reason and logic. Not all, but some. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| not according to the Times. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Down from Above wrote: |
| Circus Monkey wrote: |
| I remember some Koreans that came on the old board and couldn't argue rationally their way out of a paper bag. Heck, there are some still here like that. |
I've seen this too. Far too emotional at the expense of reason and logic. Not all, but some. |
Koreans are emotional. I have often said logic goes out the window when they get all emotional.
It is that kind of situation that would probably make me scared if Korea went anti foreigner in a big way. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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2 things to say:
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For those who have been around here awhile, you will remember the posts saying 'we' don't want Koreans to come to this board. This is 'our' board. There are plenty of other boards for the Koreans. 'We' are around 'them' all day and don't need 'them' and their Konglish here.
This board was viciously anti-Korean for a long, long time. Only in the past year has it moderated somewhat.
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Circus Monkey wrote:
I remember some Koreans that came on the old board and couldn't argue rationally their way out of a paper bag. Heck, there are some still here like that.
This strikes me as just a souped up version of the same attitude, even with the qualifier 'some'. There are no more emotional and silly threads than the US vs. Canada threads that occur here every month or so. Koreans have no corner on the emotionalism market.
*ell's bells, we are all emotional beings; it's just that we westerners use logic to justify our emotionalism after we do or say something. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I like how she says "yes, we do" to every question. It's not really a criticism, just funny. |
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leeroy12
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Should she ever come back to London then I'll hit her with your replies!  |
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