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A "hypothetical" question

 
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nate2008



Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: A "hypothetical" question Reply with quote

Hello dave's, I would like some input on this "hypothetical" question.

Hypothetically speaking, if I was just offered a part-time position at a local hagwon (I am a public school EPIK teacher), what questions should I ask when thinking about taking it? Also, this hypothetical hagwon may or may not be between my home and my school, which means most of my school's students live in the same area. Should I be worried about ending up with any of them as students in the hagwon if I do decide to take this hypothetical part-time position?

Has anybody ever taken this type of a position? What kind of pay did you receive? Any info at all on this hypothetical would be greatly appreciated.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds risky. You could get 'hypothetically' busted from a number of sources at a gig like that; hagwon owner down the road hears about it; students gossip to teachers; other teachers at the hagwon may take exception to whitey etc.

Irrespective of the risk you hypothetically may or may not be taking, I'd ask for cash up front. This owner may in fact just be trying to rinse some free lessons out of you and then refuse to pay up as he knows that there's diddley-squat that you can do about it. They may even threaten to call your VP etc and tell them that you've been moonlighting on the side, which could also create problems for you.

Basically, I'd be highly dubious of such a hypothetical propositon. Too many possibilities of getting caught. Too many possibilities of getting fucked over.
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nate2008



Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply Bs, I was thinking many of the same exact things when pondering this hypothetical. I think that if this job opportunity ever became something other than hypothetical, I would probably say no. Thanks again.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nate2008 wrote:
Thanks for the reply Bs, I was thinking many of the same exact things when pondering this hypothetical. I think that if this job opportunity ever became something other than hypothetical, I would probably say no. Thanks again.


and getting away from the hypothetical....

a) It is ILLEGAL for a public servants (that includes PS teachers (Korean and Foreign)) to take a 2nd job (and you would get fired if the office of education found out about it).

b) you have to have permission from your school principal to enable you to even apply at immigration for the additional work place - leading to: your hakwon would have to register you with the local office of education = SEE (a).

c) yes, word WILL get out that the FT is working at "X" hakwon and you can bet that the other hakwons in the area will put up a fuss - expect a visit from immigration or the office of education in the near future (SEE (a))

d) failure to get permission from immigration will result in problems as well (see (c)).

If you must do it, pick a hakwon or school in the next county.

Now back to our regularly scheduled hypothetical programming.

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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read that if your employer signs off on it, you can work a second job legally. The thing is, most K employers refuse to do so. They want you as their full-time loyal and obedient servant.

Doing it ilegally is risky. Besides, what's to stop the hagwon screwing you over. Hagwons, generally speaking, are notorious for screwing people over. If you work for them ilegally, what's to stop them firing you without pay because they don't need/like you anymore.

Then again, gettig fisted out of months pay is nothing compared to losing your job and visa, and being deported and black-listed.

Not worth IMO.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
pick a hakwon or school in the next county.


This sums it up: do it, but find a way to do it out of your area.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hypothetically, I think you would be committing 'career suicide' - it's 100% certain your public school would find out.
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knee-highs



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Location: yes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Hypothetically, I think you would be committing 'career suicide' - it's 100% certain your public school would find out.


and there is the middle-class dilemma..."should I stay or should I ho now?"



kudos to the Stones....
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and the Clash.
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Teelo



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Wellington, NZ

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Irrespective of the risk you hypothetically may or may not be taking, I'd ask for cash up front.
I'd say ask for cash up front, then take it and run.
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jellobean



Joined: 14 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools usually won't (and I've heard rumors they can't) sign off on second jobs other than at other public schools and universities. Doing it illegally anywhere near your regular job is just foolish.
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