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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: "Teachers" recruiting for their masters |
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Lately I 've been getting email from "teachers", recruiting for their schools, because their boss is soooo wonderful.
My suspicions were aroused so I decided to investigate, what I found was;
1. Whiteys who allowed themselves to be blackmailed by their "wonderful" boss. Usually the deal was, find me a replacement or you don't get your bonus money. So the whitey was trying to stiff another whitey with a crapolla deal, instead of trying to stiff the boss for monies owed.
2. Korean hogwan staff who wrote the emails and were pretending to be the whitey teacher.
Message for the whitey who wants to do his/her "wonderful" boss a favor.
Firstly its illegal.
Secondly since when does the bosses problem become your problem, are you getting a percentage of the profits?
Lastly, you are not being nice you are being a tool. |
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QbertP
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| There was a initiative last year in busan where you could get a bonus by recruiting for the program. But nothing as specific(or shady) as what your describing. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Goldmember is completely right.
It is not your duty as a teacher to find replacement. Plus, it does not agree with your E2 Visa.
Also, to become a recruiter you need a license to do so. |
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dimnd
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Western USA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: e mails from teachers |
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| I, too, receive e-mails from teachers recruiting for their bosses. I do not like it one bit. |
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bobranger
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Location: masan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I think some teachers recruit to get a LOR from a crap position. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| One thing I learned is never trust a foreigner when it comes to work. Especially never trust one who is in management. It takes a special kind of person to move up the ranks, and that 'special' part is usually not the good kind. People who open their own businesses are variable. Some open them because they are sick of the way things are done and want to do better. Some just married a Korean woman (of the type they could never get back home) and just want to try to make money. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Some hagwons have a head foreign teacher that keeps the school together and going. He's the glue who may come off as a really nice outgoing feller who may even admit it's not a good school after you come, but does operate in the interest of the hagwon and sometimes the FT's since that's what he does for a living. He is usually the one that interviews FT candidates and is the one your corresponding with in emails or phone. He's not going to tell you the whole truth. This is why many say it's best to be in touch with more than one at the school you're looking at. Of course one guy can have 2 or 3 different emails and use the foreign teachers names as alias to speak on their behalf. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| If anyone talks to a McEnglish teacher, they deserve what they get. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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" I am afraid you did not understand when I said I do not like kimchi jimgae. What I meant was that I don't like it, and I will not be eating it. If it really bothers you, I will respect you, and Ko-re-an culture by bringing my sandwhiches for lunch, because I don't want you upset."
Man up. Koreans and Teachers. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: "Teachers" recruiting for their masters |
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| GoldMember wrote: |
Lately I 've been getting email from "teachers", recruiting for their schools, because their boss is soooo wonderful.
My suspicions were aroused so I decided to investigate, what I found was;
1. Whiteys who allowed themselves to be blackmailed by their "wonderful" boss. Usually the deal was, find me a replacement or you don't get your bonus money. So the whitey was trying to stiff another whitey with a crapolla deal, instead of trying to stiff the boss for monies owed.
2. Korean hogwan staff who wrote the emails and were pretending to be the whitey teacher.
Message for the whitey who wants to do his/her "wonderful" boss a favor.
Firstly its illegal.
Secondly since when does the bosses problem become your problem, are you getting a percentage of the profits?
Lastly, you are not being nice you are being a tool. |
Agreed. 
There are many numbnutts doing this, too.  |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| One thing I learned is never trust a foreigner when it comes to work. Especially never trust one who is in management. It takes a special kind of person to move up the ranks, and that 'special' part is usually not the good kind. People who open their own businesses are variable. Some open them because they are sick of the way things are done and want to do better. Some just married a Korean woman (of the type they could never get back home) and just want to try to make money. |
I obviously take offense to this remark. I am in a foreign manager, and I like to think that I take the teachers's best interest in mind. Sure I have done interviews to hire new teachers, but I have 23 foreign teachers on staff, and I do not hesitate to offer up any of their email addresses for candidates to contact them. I did not get my position because I am a "yes" man, in fact, I am one of the only managers, Korean or foreign, who can get in a heated debate with my director over issues. I took my position to help the foreign teachers, not to sink their ship. I have certainly helped many of them during my time. I have also fired some of them for being complete idiots. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| One thing I learned is never trust a foreigner when it comes to work. Especially never trust one who is in management. It takes a special kind of person to move up the ranks, and that 'special' part is usually not the good kind. People who open their own businesses are variable. Some open them because they are sick of the way things are done and want to do better. Some just married a Korean woman (of the type they could never get back home) and just want to try to make money. |
I obviously take offense to this remark. I am in a foreign manager, and I like to think that I take the teachers's best interest in mind. Sure I have done interviews to hire new teachers, but I have 23 foreign teachers on staff, and I do not hesitate to offer up any of their email addresses for candidates to contact them. I did not get my position because I am a "yes" man, in fact, I am one of the only managers, Korean or foreign, who can get in a heated debate with my director over issues. I took my position to help the foreign teachers, not to sink their ship. I have certainly helped many of them during my time. I have also fired some of them for being complete idiots. |
So, you're the exception.
MOST of the time, what happens is the hagwon masters pick out one scumbag foreigner, give that person 50,000 more per month, and a title like "Head Teacher", and that foreign teacher turns into a monster. He/she rats out everyone for everything they can imagine, and becomes the biggest fan of Korea. They start accompanying the boss to the Korean saunas to give them special rub-downs, and ALWAYS pour the soju for the boss at the big dinner.
That happens all of the time. I've seen it and so have many others. At my first hagwon, that particular "dude" was in his 20's and he even started "socializing" with the owner, who was in her 50's. He kept insisting that "It's under control" and "She respects me." Yeah, RIGHT.
He may as well have worn a leash for her. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| One thing I learned is never trust a foreigner when it comes to work. Especially never trust one who is in management. It takes a special kind of person to move up the ranks, and that 'special' part is usually not the good kind. People who open their own businesses are variable. Some open them because they are sick of the way things are done and want to do better. Some just married a Korean woman (of the type they could never get back home) and just want to try to make money. |
I obviously take offense to this remark. I am in a foreign manager, and I like to think that I take the teachers's best interest in mind. Sure I have done interviews to hire new teachers, but I have 23 foreign teachers on staff, and I do not hesitate to offer up any of their email addresses for candidates to contact them. I did not get my position because I am a "yes" man, in fact, I am one of the only managers, Korean or foreign, who can get in a heated debate with my director over issues. I took my position to help the foreign teachers, not to sink their ship. I have certainly helped many of them during my time. I have also fired some of them for being complete idiots. |
you very well could be an exception, as there are always exceptions to every rule. I would probably not have taken a job knowing there was a foreign manager though. They usually are complete scum and bask in the power they are given that they would never have be given back home with their useless sociology degree  This is not directed at you in particular though. |
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