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Are Non-smokers Generally Too Righteous?
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Underwaterbob wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
Almost never. This thread is stupid. I have met one who actually attacked someone for saying they were a smoker, but other than that I have only ever seen non-smokers attack smokers when it affected them in some way. Understand one thing, you do NOT have the right to smoke anywhere near me in any public place.


Not that I'm defending smoking because it's a filthy habit that I myself indulge in, but this is flagrantly not true, at least in this country.


I did mean back home. Though that should be universal.


Agreed. What gets me is the amount of teachers that smoke here. I will not smoke at school or before school. All three gym teachers at both of my schools smoke regularly in front of the students. Insanity.
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My view is, in a public place (outside) smoking is fine. Fact is, there are plenty of things that are bad for our health or just plain annoying. Why shouldn't I be allowed to smoke on the street where cars are producing far more pollution/toxic gases out of their exhausts. In bars,
restaruants, private establishments...you follow the house rules. If they decide to make it non-smoking, as a smoker I have a choice to leave. The same applies to non-smokers.

That being said, I try my best to be a considerate smoker, yet there's nothing worse than a non-smoker coming into YOUR house and complaining about you smoking. (And isn't it always the case that it isn't even a friend of yours, always some bf/gf of some guy/girl who is just a friend of a friend, and you have to hold back the "if you don't like it, leave" comment)
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
My view is, in a public place (outside) smoking is fine. Fact is, there are plenty of things that are bad for our health or just plain annoying. Why shouldn't I be allowed to smoke on the street where cars are producing far more pollution/toxic gases out of their exhausts. In bars,
restaruants, private establishments...you follow the house rules. If they decide to make it non-smoking, as a smoker I have a choice to leave. The same applies to non-smokers.

That being said, I try my best to be a considerate smoker, yet there's nothing worse than a non-smoker coming into YOUR house and complaining about you smoking. (And isn't it always the case that it isn't even a friend of yours, always some bf/gf of some guy/girl who is just a friend of a friend, and you have to hold back the "if you don't like it, leave" comment)


Someone who goes to your house and tells you what to do is an ass. But public places, as you said, should be free of smoke, including certain outside venus (that one is harder to define).
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there are those smokers who are "unhappy" that you wont let them smoke in your car.. no rolling down the windows don't make it ok
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ernie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm pretty sure there are laws against smoking in (many) public places, too, including restaurants, schools, and washrooms. maybe i should start whacking off all over whoever lights up a butt in these places.

p.s. sorry for the visual imagery.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
i'm pretty sure there are laws against smoking in (many) public places, too, including restaurants, schools, and washrooms. maybe i should start whacking off all over whoever lights up a butt in these places.

p.s. sorry for the visual imagery.


Not in Korea.

P.S. You need a therapist.
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
ernie wrote:
i'm pretty sure there are laws against smoking in (many) public places, too, including restaurants, schools, and washrooms. maybe i should start whacking off all over whoever lights up a butt in these places.

p.s. sorry for the visual imagery.


Not in Korea.

P.S. You need a therapist.


There are usually signs in bathrooms that say "no smoking" as well as in stairwells.. but that stops no one.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually, every school i've ever been to in korea has been non-smoking, both in the building and on school grounds. many restaurants are non-smoking. washrooms too. these rules don't seem to stop anyone, though, which is what i have a problem with.

maybe the next thread will be entitled: "Why are non-public masturbators so self-righteous?"
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
Underwaterbob wrote:
ernie wrote:
i'm pretty sure there are laws against smoking in (many) public places, too, including restaurants, schools, and washrooms. maybe i should start whacking off all over whoever lights up a butt in these places.

p.s. sorry for the visual imagery.


Not in Korea.

P.S. You need a therapist.


There are usually signs in bathrooms that say "no smoking" as well as in stairwells.. but that stops no one.


If it's a public area, there are no laws against smoking as of yet. You can smoke in front of a no-smoking sign and there is no punishment.

http://english.seoul.go.kr/today/news/newsclip/1247281_3675.html

This is supposed to have changed, but as far as I can tell nothing has happened yet.

As for the smoke fetishist: you can't compare public smoking and public masturbation. That's almost as ridiculous as the earlier analogy between smoking and being handicapped.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're right, the two are different. you can't get cancer from second-HAND masturbation.
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
It depends. I always wash after one, but some people have wierd over-sensitive noses - I think they must be deformed in that way kind of dog-like.


Please don't tell me you actually think washing your hands will get rid of the smoke smell! I smoked for 10 years and used to think the same way you do. The truth is, smoke stays in your hair, clothes, and on your hands even after you wash. Not to mention your breath (which is the one thing that can sort of be managed). I can smell a smoker when they walk into the room, even though all those years of smoking practically destroyed my sense of smell.
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Draz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
It depends. I always wash after one, but some people have wierd over-sensitive noses - I think they must be deformed in that way kind of dog-like.


People with a normal sense of smell are freaks! You need to dull your senses with smoke like me!
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
livinginkunsan wrote:
Underwaterbob wrote:
ernie wrote:
i'm pretty sure there are laws against smoking in (many) public places, too, including restaurants, schools, and washrooms. maybe i should start whacking off all over whoever lights up a butt in these places.

p.s. sorry for the visual imagery.


Not in Korea.

P.S. You need a therapist.


There are usually signs in bathrooms that say "no smoking" as well as in stairwells.. but that stops no one.


If it's a public area, there are no laws against smoking as of yet. You can smoke in front of a no-smoking sign and there is no punishment.

http://english.seoul.go.kr/today/news/newsclip/1247281_3675.html

This is supposed to have changed, but as far as I can tell nothing has happened yet.
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Did you read the article that you posted?

There is no law "outdoors" - example was the bus stop

But inside (bathroom and stairwell) which I mentioned have a law preventing them.

Quote:
"By law, only indoor spaces are smoke-free and at present, there are no ways to prohibit smoking in outdoor areas," said Cho.
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greedy_bones



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say some are, some aren't. If I'm standing close to someone in a public place(bars not included), or if I'm by an entryway or window, I have no problem with someone asking me to move.

There have been two occasions where the sensitivity of the non smoking strangers have been ridiculous. The first was in college after the administration had recently put up smoking tents. I was sitting in the middle of a field drinking coffee and having a smoke before class. Some asshat took it upon themselves to walk up to me and tell me to move to the smoking area. Keep in mind, this was a random student. The nearest person was about 50 meters away and walking further from my location.

The second time came when I was in a park in Korea with several friends sitting in a large open area. A group of Korean college students showed up, started doing their weird group cheers thing and then approached me and told me "No smoking!" Now, had they been there first and I had walked upwind of them and started smoking, that would be one thing. I was smoking, talking to my friends, and then they came and sat down up wind from me, started doing obnoxious cheers and demanded I accommodate them.
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love what this guy said in the article

Quote:
"Nobody else had a cigarette so it felt a bit awkward smoking by myself," said Kim Hyeon-mo, 32, when asked why he stubbed it out so quickly, "especially with women around."

http://english.seoul.go.kr/today/news/newsclip/1247281_3675.html
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