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Is marriage still a realistic proposition?
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Cornfed



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

There's been some discussion here about whether being married is a good way to live or not. I'd be interested in discussing a different angle. Let�s say for the sake of argument that it is indeed best for a man to live and have sex with the same woman forever, let her do most of the raising of your biological children etc. That accepted, is it even a viable option in the West today? It seems to me that for most people it isn't.

A wise man once told me that the secret to a stable marriage was financial stability and a stiff dick. For the latter you have Viagra, although you would want to be familiar with you local needle exchange, given that with today's women a mere oral dose might not suffice. More problems are likely to arise with respect to the financial stability aspect. To paraphrase Burroughs, since the 1980s Western economies have behaved like an algebraic equation in the sense that the human variable has been removed. The rich get richer over time. They don't have to be smart or wise or ruthless or hard working. They can just sit back and other people's money rockets up to them. Others are, slowly but surely, one by one, being reduced to poverty. Yet a largely successful propaganda campaign has convinced most people that the system still throws large sums of money at anyone but complete losers.

Hence what is likely to happen is that at some point your turn will come to fall on hard times and when that happens your wife will almost certainly take you to the cleaners in the divorce court. After all, she will be convinced that you are a complete loser, and in any case she and society generally will believe that you have failed in your supposed duty to be a good provider � an idea cherry picked from the old-fashioned concept of marriage. Your status as a husband, such as it is, is conditional in your not losing your income, whether it is your fault or not. It would be very naive to believe many women of any culture take that "for richer or for poorer" crap seriously. And even if you get back on your financial feet later, the damage will have been done. Marriage has become a commodity that only the rich can afford (although if you were rich, why would you want it?).

Then there is the issue of whether today's women are marriageable material. Without wanting to go on about their shortcomings, consider the fact that for humans, like for most mammals, monogamy is not the natural condition. Men naturally want to spray it around in order to spread their genetic risk. Women, in order to make the most of their heavy biological investment in each child, want to be impregnated by the top (alpha) male, whomever that might be in a given context. The motivation for this is they get to pass on supposedly superior genes to their offspring and win a higher place on the social totem pole for themselves. And whereas in the stone-age this might have served a purpose since alpha males tended to be intrinsically superior in some way, in modern society they tend to be complete scumbags.

Corporate CEOs, gang leaders, drug dealers, wealthy playboys, professional athletes, movie stars etc. � these people can get practically unlimited sex from modern Western women due to their social position in their respective subcultures. Not only will the hot women only have sex with them, but they can easily monopolize all women in a given context since they will often be prepared to give the bowsers one after they've had a few. As to your ordinary, decent Joes doing the real work and coming up with creative solutions to keep society going behind the scenes, who make good fathers and role models for children � they just don't rate as far as most of today's women are concerned, even if they happen to be nominally married to one of them.

So what does this mean for the average married guy? Well, it probably means that your wife will be humping various dirtbags and introducing various extramarital children and STDs to your marriage before taking you to the cleaners in the divorce court. In previous times laws and social mores discouraged them from following their instincts and required them to use their sexuality for the good of society generally. But feminism affords them the status not of responsible adults but of spoiled brats who can indulge their every mindless whim with impunity. There's certainly no legal impediment � in fact the courts will probably blame you for their behavior. Try to stop them and you will be seen an obsessive, controlling husband oppressing your wife and abusing her by trying to shut her off from the rest of the world. You really can't win these days.

I could go on, but I submit that merely for these reasons the marriage idea has expired for most of us.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporate CEOs get unlimited sex from western women? If that were true, the world would be a much better place.

In my social circle, a lot of us have been getting married lately. It's right for some of us, although my wife has been watching that HBO show Big Love a lot lately, so I'm wondering what's up with that.
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

Cornfed wrote:
I could go on, but I submit that merely for these reasons the marriage idea has expired for most of us.


The fact your mind is a cesspool probably factors in there as well.
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Draz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
I could go on, but I submit that merely for these reasons the marriage idea has expired for most of us.


The fact your mind is a cesspool probably factors in there as well.


Hee.

I'd make a serious post, but thanks for the reminder that this isn't a serious topic. Cool

I want to get married so my boyfriend can get the appropriate visa and live with me! Yay!
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's all very romantic, OP, but I have a question:

What the hell happened to you? I ask because your posts seem to often (always?) be about this stuff. Are you recovering after getting dumped or have you always thought this way?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornfed wrote:
consider the fact that for humans, like for most mammals, monogamy is not the natural condition


For human males, it is. Polygamy would be great for a privileged few males and a complete disaster for the rest.
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Cornfed



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
consider the fact that for humans, like for most mammals, monogamy is not the natural condition


For human males, it is. Polygamy would be great for a privileged few males and a complete disaster for the rest.

But that's exactly my point. Polygamy/ the harem system is the de facto result of feminism and, within the context of contemporary society, it is indeed a disaster for most of us, especially should we try to maitain stable marriages.
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Cornfed



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
That's all very romantic, OP, but I have a question:

What the hell happened to you? I ask because your posts seem to often (always?) be about this stuff. Are you recovering after getting dumped or have you always thought this way?

I'm just comenting on what is a critically important issue for society. On the subject of marriage, it seems clear that the man is often turning his life into a smoking ruin and yet these lemmings keep doing it. Even for those who are determined to get married anyway, I am doing them a favour by pointing out the potential pitfalls so they can hopefully overcome them, rather than just ignoring them untill they bite them on the ass.
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prideofidaho



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornfed wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
consider the fact that for humans, like for most mammals, monogamy is not the natural condition


For human males, it is. Polygamy would be great for a privileged few males and a complete disaster for the rest.

But that's exactly my point. Polygamy/ the harem system is the de facto result of feminism and, within the context of contemporary society, it is indeed a disaster for most of us, especially should we try to maitain stable marriages.


huh?
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Shauneyz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't a very fun thread.
I'm leaving.
Bye.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornfed you have many options that previous generation might not have had. Consider these

A Porn Star. Traditionally this might have barred you from being married.
However these days people with a succesful career in porn are also getting married and raising families.

A career sex tourist .

A Male prostitute.

Your have countless options
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Perceptioncheck



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

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Perceptioncheck



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage still a realistic proposition? Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
I could go on, but I submit that merely for these reasons the marriage idea has expired for most of us.


The fact your mind is a cesspool probably factors in there as well.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

At first I thought this guy was joking, but now I'm not so sure and that SCARES me more than words can say.
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Koveras



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he's imbalanced at all. He's given to hyperbole, but I think his position is essentially correct. Western civilization has crashed and burned, and feminism was either a cause or an effect of that disaster. I say effect, Cornfed says cause.
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