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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Ordered to take 2nd health test. Reply with quote

I started my job in July and duly completed a health test to get my ARC. Fast forward to Monday and I am told I must have another health test this week as this is a requirement every 2 years. Has anyone heard of this? I have spoken to both the Labour Board and the NHIC and both stated I should not be required to do this. Actually the NHIC stated I should submit a copy of my original health check which fortunately I have.

I told my Hagwon that I was refusing to comply and if I need a health test I might as well get a new job and a new E2. Their response was that I wouldn't be fired but they would fine me w100,000 if I don't comply. A lot of what are you trying to hide questions were also asked I said nothing, but I am hiding a fear of needles.

Has anyone been in this situation? Is anyone else currently experiencing this?
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

same here. maybe we work for the same company Wink

i'd also like to know what's going on in this situation. we've heard lots of excuses like "it's part of your health plan," and my all-time favorite - "it's a company policy...it's for your own good."
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plynx I work for a fairly large company. Not however large enough to post any notices in English, Japanese, or Chinese although they employ native speakers from all these countries. If your company is the same company you can see why being fired wasn't such a hardship. They are a good Korean company but their management of foreign workers could be improved.
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gteacher



Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing this is a big chain adult hagwon. If it is they did the same thing a couple years back with all the teachers. Many of us refused to get the health check even though they treatened us with fines. In the end we told the Wonjongnim we would just leave if they fined us and nothing came of it.

If you have been here a couple years though, usually the NHIC would like you to be tested every year. I am sure that the test you went thought to get your ARC meets their expectations, so just hand that copy to you boss.
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jackson7



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: Kim Jong Il's Future Fireball

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a normal requirement to continue with NHIC, as far as I know. My uni also asked teachers that had passed 2 and 4-year marks to take a test, although it was provided by the uni (a nurse came to the school) and there was no drug test, so I really don't think there was anything dirty going on.
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was asked to take another test even though i just got my results (from the first test to get my ARC) less than two months ago...i understand them needing to do it every year or even twice a year...but to send me back after i jumped through the hoops a mere month and a half ago? just strange.
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aphase



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Ordered to take 2nd health test. Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
...wouldn't be fired but they would fine me w100,000 if I don't comply.
this?


If I were you, I would tell them that you will quit if they don't comply with giving you your money over some bullshit health test that you already did.
If it's not enough reason to fire you, apparently they don't need the results of that test that badly. What's the point? Seems like they will still want you working there even if you don't do the test. That's a bit odd isn't it? Isn't the purpose of the health test to make sure your not spreading diseases around to the students? Doesn't seem like much of a requirement if you can pay your way out of it.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your employer does have the right to ask for you to have a medical exam at least once a year, and twice a year, if they have serious concerns of your health.
This is under Korean employment law and nothing to do with your visa, immigration or the ARC.

The fine they told you about is nothing to do with immigration .. There may be some hidden clause in your contract or employment manual (if you have one) that covers this fine. BUT if you do refuse to have the company medical they are asking for you may risk getting notice for dismissal.

You obviously work for a company that wants to play employment games . Maybe they are looking for a legitimate way to fire a few staff by 'finding" legitimate medical issues that they may say affect your work.

Hope it works out for you
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buster brown



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a fear of needles, so I hate these "mandatory" health checks. I've taken two of them while in Korea, but I haven't given blood either time. I simply refuse to do that part of the test. I've never heard anything negative about it. Get someone to write down the Korean for "I have a phobia of needles." It's something like "JooSa GongPoJeung IssEoYo." I can't type Korean from my home computer, but I'll edit this post tomorrow from my office.
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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened to me at my first school. They told me it was "required," I said "No," then they said "Ok." End of story.

I was informed by my current employer this week that some of the staff will be required to go get health checks this week, and when it comes time, I imagine the conversation will be the same as above.
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 2 health check requirements.

One is for immigration, and includes a drug test, as a prerequisite for your E2 visa.
The other is for the NHIC. It is more involved than immi's requirement.

This is where is gets silly. The NHIC requires ALL members to have a health check on a regular basis. However, they only call people in at random, and not en masse.
At my company, a few have been called in for this one.... and about 40 have not.

They were threatened by the NHIC with a 100,000won fine, and the school was also.
I think the NHIC underlings who told you to submit your original health check could be correct, tough.


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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blonde researcher wrote:
Your employer does have the right to ask for you to have a medical exam at least once a year, and twice a year, if they have serious concerns of your health.
This is under Korean employment law and nothing to do with your visa, immigration or the ARC.

The fine they told you about is nothing to do with immigration .. There may be some hidden clause in your contract or employment manual (if you have one) that covers this fine. BUT if you do refuse to have the company medical they are asking for you may risk getting notice for dismissal.

You obviously work for a company that wants to play employment games . Maybe they are looking for a legitimate way to fire a few staff by 'finding" legitimate medical issues that they may say affect your work.

Hope it works out for you


I have to second this.

I would like to add that if you do have a serious medical problem, it would be good to catch it early.

That said, I have known an American woman who did not have her contract renewed for having breast cancer. And I've seen a Canadian woman not get renewed for being pregnant.

Perhaps they were discriminated against because they were considered an insurance liability.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

or perhaps they weren't offered a contract because they wouldn't be able to teach... duh

edit - I don't understand what people have against health checks.. seems to me you'd want to be healthy
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Teelo



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Wellington, NZ

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
edit - I don't understand what people have against health checks.. seems to me you'd want to be healthy
Because they're not open minded about people with simple controllable conditions like Diabetes, Epilepsy, Early signs of Cancer, Bipolar, missing half of a toe, scar that could look like a korean city getting bombed by american forces...
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
I don't understand what people have against health checks.. seems to me you'd want to be healthy


Of course I want to be healthy but I think 3 health checks in 1 year would be too many (I had one at home before I came back here).

Would there be any blood left in my alcohol stream?

Submitted my existing check and refused to have another check.

The inuendo about why I am refusing is strong, and they may need to tone it down due to Korea's defamation laws.

Their last act of desperation was to tell me this is an immigration requirement.

Waiting to see if what happens now.
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