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wormholes101

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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Meaningfully Activating English in the Classroom |
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You may be familiar with the ESA approach to teaching ESL.
E = Engage
S = Study
A = Activate
My question is... how important do you think it is to provide a contextually and functionally meaningful activity to accompany the study?
To expand on this...
Some activate games don't relate meaningfully to the context or function of the language. For example, the target language is "Let's (play soccer, go to the movies, etc)" the language function is suggestion.
A functionally relevant activity might be to have a chart with days of the week. Students try to fill up their days of the week with activities by inviting their friends.
A functionally irrelevant activity might be divide the class into two team. A representative from each group goes up the front of the class pointing to one of many pictures and the team yells out the suggestion (Let's play soccer) The reps scissor-paper-rock and the winning team gets a point.
So, in this example, the second activity is functionally irrelevant because it doesn't tie in well with the context and function of the language whereas the first activity does.
So what do you think? Is it important for activities to be functionally and contextually relevant or does it not matter. I'd like to hear opinions/thoughts/pros/cons.... |
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Fishead soup
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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The way I would do this activity is.
Step one
Show some PPT to the students to introduce making plans. Refusing an offer and giving a reason. Refusing an offer and giving an alternative plan
Step two
Have students do roleplay from either Side by Side or Interchange and practice making plans for the evening
Step three
Students recieve scrambled dialogue they put it in the correct order
Step Four
Hand out Information gap activity from Bogglesworld. Students either agree to the plan refuse plan or offer alternatives. |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Fishead soup wrote: |
The way I would do this activity is.
Step one
Show some PPT to the students to introduce making plans. Refusing an offer and giving a reason. Refusing an offer and giving an alternative plan
Step two
Have students do roleplay from either Side by Side or Interchange and practice making plans for the evening
Step three
Students recieve scrambled dialogue they put it in the correct order
Step Four
Hand out Information gap activity from Bogglesworld. Students either agree to the plan refuse plan or offer alternatives. |
Thanks for your response Fish head although I'm not sure that you answered the question clearly. I'd guess from your sample lesson plan that you're saying that a functionally relevant activate session is important? |
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Perceptioncheck
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I absolutely think a functionally relevant activate session is important, especially with older students. I think that putting language in context not only makes the lesson more interesting for the students, it also helps motivate them if they know they may have cause to use it in the future. Plus having a more immediate language goal to work towards (ie whatever activity you're using in class) is also a big motivator; when I taught adults, they knew they would have to use the language in a "functionally meaningful activity" at the end of the lesson and - at least in the short term - this definately inspired them to listen, study hard and stop faffing about with their phones under the table.
That being said, such sessions are not always possible. Now, I teach extremely low level elementary students and it is a struggle just to get them to say "goodbye" instead of "hello" at the end of the class. Of course basic communicative surveys are always useful but I think these only go so far, especially when most of my students are still lacking basic vocab and cannot form structures even when spoon-fed.
So, in short, ANY kind of activity which helps my students learn is useful. Functionally relevant, functionally irrelevent, throwing paper balls at the teacher. . .whatever gets them speaking. |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your response. The idea that an "immediate language goal is motivating" is interesting and could be explored more.
Also, I agree that with lower level students it is more difficult to provide meaningful activate sessions. I suppose that it depends a lot on the level of the students.
One of the points (according to the text I've been reading) of the activate session is that the students should be given a chance to use as much English as they know. Therefore, it seems to me that pre-programmed responses -like the 2nd example activity I gave- don't allow a variety of responses/communication. However, since lower level students don't have a large base of language to work with, this can be problematic.
Nevertheless, wouldn't it be good, if whenever possible for the activity be arranged so that it could be functionally relevant as well allow for creative and free answers. Thoughts?
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So, in short, ANY kind of activity which helps my students learn is useful. Functionally relevant, functionally irrelevent, throwing paper balls at the teacher. . .whatever gets them speaking. |
Ok, point taken. Hypothetically, if you could -and the students are capable- do one activity over the other. Which do you choose? Why? |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Let me tell you a little bit about why I'm writing this thread.
I work with a co-teacher who determines the lesson plans for our classes (she's not very open to suggestion so things go her way) She has very generic activities that could be done with any language structure and mostly seem to be Team A vs Team B type, yell out the right answer type activities.
I work at an Elementary school where the English level is quite high; the kids could do broader activities but it almost never happens. Kind of drives me up the wall a bit. Am I off here with my thinking or is her method just as justifiable? |
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Draz

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Depends. If you're trying to get them ready to pass a test, her method is as good. If you're trying to kill time and perk the students up a bit, her method is probably better. If you have a huge class to work with, her method is most practical for dealing with that...
Please share whatever other activities you want to try. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Meaningfully Activating English in the Classroom |
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wormholes101 wrote: |
You may be familiar with the ESA approach to teaching ESL.
E = Engage
S = Study
A = Activate
My question is... how important do you think it is to provide a contextually and functionally meaningful activity to accompany the study?
To expand on this...
Some activate games don't relate meaningfully to the context or function of the language. For example, the target language is "Let's (play soccer, go to the movies, etc)" the language function is suggestion.
A functionally relevant activity might be to have a chart with days of the week. Students try to fill up their days of the week with activities by inviting their friends.
A functionally irrelevant activity might be divide the class into two team. A representative from each group goes up the front of the class pointing to one of many pictures and the team yells out the suggestion (Let's play soccer) The reps scissor-paper-rock and the winning team gets a point.
So, in this example, the second activity is functionally irrelevant because it doesn't tie in well with the context and function of the language whereas the first activity does.
So what do you think? Is it important for activities to be functionally and contextually relevant or does it not matter. I'd like to hear opinions/thoughts/pros/cons.... |
If you want my opinion I'd suggest that you stop trying to over-theorise the obvious using purposeless buzzwords. Don't most meaningful things have a related context and function? What the hell are 'activate games'? Is activate a spelling mistake or a recently invented adjective? From the way you write I wouldn't know.
Of course our field is one of little academic esteem filled with B- and C-grade academics, and so it's only natural that we'd invent and employ endless jargon and esoteric definitions to inflate our sense of erudition. However, when we make it look like we're trying much too hard it just makes us look magniloquent. |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Meaningfully Activating English in the Classroom |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
If you want my opinion I'd suggest that you stop trying to over-theorise the obvious using purposeless buzzwords. Don't most meaningful things have a related context and function? What the hell are 'activate games'? Is activate a spelling mistake or a recently invented adjective? From the way you write I wouldn't know.
Of course our field is one of little academic esteem filled with B- and C-grade academics, and so it's only natural that we'd invent and employ endless jargon and esoteric definitions to inflate our sense of erudition. However, when we make it look like we're trying much too hard it just makes us look magniloquent. |
You're so helpful. |
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Perceptioncheck
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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I don't really think that words like "relevant" and "irrelevant" and purposeless buzzwords. I think the OP was just trying to ask a concise question about teaching methods.
OP, you said -
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Nevertheless, wouldn't it be good, if whenever possible for the activity be arranged so that it could be functionally relevant as well allow for creative and free answers. Thoughts? |
Yup, I totally agree but alas! this isn't a perfect world. Ideally in my lesson I would word towards a functionally relevant activity (or, for all the jargon haters, an activity where the students apply the language in more real-life-like context) but again, for me, that just isn't possible most of the time.
As I said before, my students level is just too low and added to this is the fact that my students struggle to come up with an independent answer. "How are you" = "I'm fine thankyou and you" "How was your weekend" = "Computer games". "Please stop talking and listen to me when I talk" = "Ohh, that's too bad". (Well, maybe not the last one but you know what I mean). The kids resort to stock phrases because they don't have enough language to express themselves properly and this habit is now so ingrained it's even hard to get them to complete surveys.
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Hypothetically, if you could -and the students are capable- do one activity over the other. Which do you choose? Why? |
That's a tough call. For me, one is impossible without the other. My kids need those functionally irrelevant activities (or, for you jargon haters out there, games) to build up to a functionally relevant activity. If my students were capable I'd probably choose the latter, but I think when people get to that level of capability they probably aren't that interested in playing slap or throw the ball at the flashcard anyway.
I think both have their place in the classroom, although I'm sure people will contest this as everyone has very different teaching styles. |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Draz wrote: |
Depends. If you're trying to get them ready to pass a test, her method is as good. If you're trying to kill time and perk the students up a bit, her method is probably better. If you have a huge class to work with, her method is most practical for dealing with that... |
These activities aren't designed to prep for a test. They are day to day activities that happen in every class and every grade.
OK, yes it is good for perking the kids up, the go mad for anything scissors paper rock and that type of thing. To be fair, from what I can see it has use as far as it is like 'drilling'. It seems to help accuracy.
As far as working in big class situations that's a yes and no. Yes, in that it's much easier to organise and control. But, pairwork/groupwork isn't that difficult to organise so where's the advantage? |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Perceptioncheck wrote: |
I don't really think that words like "relevant" and "irrelevant" and purposeless buzzwords. I think the OP was just trying to ask a concise question about teaching methods. |
Thanks for your support. I never had the intention of being whatever Yubumsuk was raving about... Pleased that there is someone to respond sensibly.
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As I said before, my students level is just too low and added to this is the fact that my students struggle to come up with an independent answer. "How are you" = "I'm fine thankyou and you" "How was your weekend" = "Computer games". "Please stop talking and listen to me when I talk" = "Ohh, that's too bad". (Well, maybe not the last one but you know what I mean). The kids resort to stock phrases because they don't have enough language to express themselves properly and this habit is now so ingrained it's even hard to get them to complete surveys. |
Sounds tough. I'm lucky to work at a school where the average level is reasonably high.
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I think both have their place in the classroom, although I'm sure people will contest this as everyone has very different teaching styles. |
I really appreciate your thought out response and it's given me something to think about. If others want to give their thoughts I'm all ears. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Perceptioncheck wrote: |
I don't really think that words like "relevant" and "irrelevant" and purposeless buzzwords. I think the OP was just trying to ask a concise question about teaching methods.
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Relevant and irrelevant are certainly not buzzwords, but using adjectives like functionally and contextually with them turn them into tautological and purposeless claptrap. Most relevant things have a function related to the matter at hand and most irrelevant things do not, wouldn't you say? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Meaningfully Activating English in the Classroom |
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wormholes101 wrote: |
Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
If you want my opinion I'd suggest that you stop trying to over-theorise the obvious using purposeless buzzwords. Don't most meaningful things have a related context and function? What the hell are 'activate games'? Is activate a spelling mistake or a recently invented adjective? From the way you write I wouldn't know.
Of course our field is one of little academic esteem filled with B- and C-grade academics, and so it's only natural that we'd invent and employ endless jargon and esoteric definitions to inflate our sense of erudition. However, when we make it look like we're trying much too hard it just makes us look magniloquent. |
You're so helpful. |
I'm sure that's what your co-teacher must be thinking if you explain yourself with such language to her. |
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wormholes101

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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