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krissy123



Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Location: Suwon, S.Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Teacher pays airfare? Reply with quote

Hi there, just received an email from my recruiter explaining that is it common for the teacher to pay for the airfare at first, and then the employer will pay the teacher back once they arrive in Korea.
Although I know that this is the case for some schools, I've been under the impression that for the most part, the school usually pays for the ticket, and the teacher doesn't have to deal with that aspect of the process at all.

So now, I have my visa ready (finally!) and my recruiter says the director won't pay for it (but will reimburse me once I arrive). I know he is just being careful, but to spring this on me at the last moment is frustrating to say the least (not to mention that I have no way of paying for a ticket).

So my question is; is it really true that most teachers pay for their ticket at first? Or is the recruiter just saying whatever he can to resolve the situation? I just don't want to look like a fool if I say that 'it isn't always the case that teachers pay at first, and that the director should pay since I cannot (especially at this stage in the game)'?
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand, pre-paid tickets are far less common these days than they might've been before. They still exist though.

You can mostly trust public schools to reimburse the cost of your ticket (in won, so watch that exchange rate) by your first pay day, if not immediately upon arrival. My public school and my girlfriend's public school both reimbursed airfare & settlement allowance within the first couple of days.

I have no experience with Hagwon personally, but Hagwon contracts I've been offered have stated the same thing - you buy the ticket and arrive, we pay for it when you get here. Getting paid is more of a crap-shoot with Hagwon than with public schools, but the Hagwon doesn't benefit much by having you walk away 10 days into your contract for lack of airfare reimbursement. Others will be able to offer more insight about this than I can.

If you can't buy your own ticket, then I suggest you ask your recruiter to buy you an air ticket, and you sign a form that states that the school will repay the recruiter the cost of the air ticket + if you fail to get on the plane or screw over the recruiter with regard to the flight in some way, then you must pay the recruiter back the lost money.

I've never used the above approach, but my recruiter did offer it as an option. Perhaps other commenters can provide better suggestions as well.
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a hagwon. I moved here from Thailand. I was bringing my wife with me (Thai). I had two options.

1- My employer would buy my ticket.

2- My employer would give me 1,000,000 Won if I did it myself.

I chose the latter. I got my million within a week. It covered both of our tickets. I pocketed the difference. I emailed my boss the receipt. She didn't care. A deal was a deal ....
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was upfront from the start that one of my requirements was that the airfare be paid by the school and had no problem in getting jobs that said that. At this stage of the process I would just be upfront about the fact that if it is not paid by the school you cannot come ... ie you really like the job / really looking foward to coming ... but the comment made now that you have to pay upfront means that you can't afford to come.
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Tux



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Location: The smallest one room ever in Guri City

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the distinct impression that when I arrived here my school wanted to make sure that I passed my medical test (and possibly the drug test - I'm not sure if I was screened for drugs or not) before they paid me back.

That way, If I failed they could then revoke my visa immediately and I would have to travel back home on my own dime, allowing them to avoid any unnecessary expenses.

Again, I'm only speculating here but basically they wouldn't pay me back until I had a bank account, and to open a bank account I had to get my health check and (subsequently)my arc done.

Recently the other FT @ my school was given another medical test two months before his contract was up. I'm guessing that if he had failed then that would give the the school enough time to find a replacement before he finished.
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Tux



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Location: The smallest one room ever in Guri City

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the distinct impression that when I arrived here my school wanted to make sure that I passed my medical test (and possibly the drug test - I'm not sure if I was screened for drugs or not) before they paid me back.

That way, If I failed they could then revoke my visa immediately and I would have to travel back home on my own dime, allowing them to avoid any unnecessary expenses.

Again, I'm only speculating here but basically they wouldn't pay me back until I had a bank account, and to open a bank account I had to get my health check and (subsequently)my arc done.

Recently the other FT @ my school was given another medical test two months before his contract was up. I'm guessing that if he had failed then that would give the the school enough time to find a replacement before he finished.
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itstiff



Joined: 16 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tux wrote:

Again, I'm only speculating here but basically they wouldn't pay me back until I had a bank account, and to open a bank account I had to get my health check and (subsequently)my arc done.


You don't need your ARC to open a bank account, you only need your passport and if your school brings you to a bank and they keep saying you have to have an ARC, keep saying you only need a passport and if they still won't agree ask them to call their upper people, because yes you only need a passport to open one. I was at a smaller branch of Nonghyup arguing for an hour about this.

Like others have said, you're not going to find many bosses who will pay for your airfare here. Just make sure it's written in your contract that you will be reimbursed within 14 or 30 days, also check with your recruiter whether the price you're going to buy your ticket is okay first. Good luck.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher pays airfare? Reply with quote

krissy123 wrote:
Hi there, just received an email from my recruiter explaining that is it common for the teacher to pay for the airfare at first, and then the employer will pay the teacher back once they arrive in Korea.
Although I know that this is the case for some schools, I've been under the impression that for the most part, the school usually pays for the ticket, and the teacher doesn't have to deal with that aspect of the process at all.

So now, I have my visa ready (finally!) and my recruiter says the director won't pay for it (but will reimburse me once I arrive). I know he is just being careful, but to spring this on me at the last moment is frustrating to say the least (not to mention that I have no way of paying for a ticket).

So my question is; is it really true that most teachers pay for their ticket at first? Or is the recruiter just saying whatever he can to resolve the situation? I just don't want to look like a fool if I say that 'it isn't always the case that teachers pay at first, and that the director should pay since I cannot (especially at this stage in the game)'?


Working for a hakwon?

Bottom line: no prepaid airticket = no teacher.
They will find the ticket for you.
If they won't, it is not a school you want to work at anyway.

DO NOT trust any hakwon to reimburse your ticket.

There have been too many instances of people coming on their own dime who were left at the airport or just plain not reimbursed (in hopes that they wouldn't pull a runner).

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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher pays airfare? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
krissy123 wrote:
Hi there, just received an email from my recruiter explaining that is it common for the teacher to pay for the airfare at first, and then the employer will pay the teacher back once they arrive in Korea.
Although I know that this is the case for some schools, I've been under the impression that for the most part, the school usually pays for the ticket, and the teacher doesn't have to deal with that aspect of the process at all.

So now, I have my visa ready (finally!) and my recruiter says the director won't pay for it (but will reimburse me once I arrive). I know he is just being careful, but to spring this on me at the last moment is frustrating to say the least (not to mention that I have no way of paying for a ticket).

So my question is; is it really true that most teachers pay for their ticket at first? Or is the recruiter just saying whatever he can to resolve the situation? I just don't want to look like a fool if I say that 'it isn't always the case that teachers pay at first, and that the director should pay since I cannot (especially at this stage in the game)'?


Working for a hakwon?

Bottom line: no prepaid airticket = no teacher.
They will find the ticket for you.
If they won't, it is not a school you want to work at anyway.

DO NOT trust any hakwon to reimburse your ticket.

There have been too many instances of people coming on their own dime who were left at the airport or just plain not reimbursed (in hopes that they wouldn't pull a runner).

.


this works both ways, though. sometimes workers in korea pull a runner for NO REASON. there are MANY of those that we don't talk about on these forums as often as the bad ones. some GOOD hagwons require you to pay for your ticket up front to combat the fidgety foreigners. i would hesitate to exclude a school from my list of possible jobs beacuse they don't pay the ticket up front. look at the big picture concerning the school or company before you discredit them for covering their own asses. some of them are even willing to work with you if you have issues with the airfare.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher pays airfare? Reply with quote

plynx wrote:
this works both ways, though. sometimes workers in korea pull a runner for NO REASON. there are MANY of those that we don't talk about on these forums as often as the bad ones. some GOOD hagwons require you to pay for your ticket up front to combat the fidgety foreigners. i would hesitate to exclude a school from my list of possible jobs beacuse they don't pay the ticket up front. look at the big picture concerning the school or company before you discredit them for covering their own asses. some of them are even willing to work with you if you have issues with the airfare.


HORSE CRAP.

I have yet to see a hakwon that doesn't hold your salary for 10-15 days AFTER the end of the pay period.

They bear NO risk after the first 10 days. The teacher on the other hand HAS already paid the ENTIRE cost of the visa application process (including apostille / embassy certification, CRC application, notarization, etc).

I stand firm..... When it comes to a hakwon....

NO TICKET IN ADVANCE = no teacher.

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