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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Lesbians, condoms go wild in attack on Christian church Reply with quote

Worshippers at a Bible-teaching church in Lansing, Mich., were stunned Sunday when members of a pro-homosexual, pro-anarchy organization named Bash Back interrupted their service to fling propaganda and condoms around the sanctuary, drape a profane banner from the balcony and feature two lesbians making out at the pulpit.

According to a blog posting by Nick De Leeuw on Right Michigan, the Bash Back organization orchestrated a protest in front of Mount Hope Church to draw the church's security staff away from the sanctuary.

Then Bash Backers who had dressed up and mixed in with church worshippers took action.

According to De Leeuw, "Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony.

Worshippers at a Bible-teaching church in Lansing, Mich., were stunned Sunday when members of a pro-homosexual, pro-anarchy organization named Bash Back interrupted their service to fling propaganda and condoms around the sanctuary, drape a profane banner from the balcony and feature two lesbians making out at the pulpit.

According to a blog posting by Nick De Leeuw on Right Michigan, the Bash Back organization orchestrated a protest in front of Mount Hope Church to draw the church's security staff away from the sanctuary.

Then Bash Backers who had dressed up and mixed in with church worshippers took action.

According to De Leeuw, "Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony.

Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss," he wrote.

He cited the Bash Back organization's own announcement of other items members brought into the church, including "a megaphone, noise makers, condoms, glitter by the bucket load, confetti, pink fabric. ..."

According to the alternative Lansing City Pulse � which reported it was notified of the protest ahead of time and sent a reporter along instead of warning the church � the protesters also screamed at parishioners and pulled the church facility's fire alarm. Printed material protesters distributed said, "We specialize in confronting homophobia, transphobia and every and all other forms of oppression."

The report said Bash Back issued a statement today confirming it targeted Mount Hope, which has about 5,000 church participants, because it participates in "the repression of queers."

On the newspaper's forum page, a contributor commented, "Homosexuals and anarchists. A perfect combination of human beings with no hope, no morals, no future."

Many demonstrators fled and the rest were quiet after sheriff's officers were summoned.

"Mount Hope churchgoers were unclear as to what the purpose of the demonstration was," said a statement from David Williams, a spokesman for the church.

"The leadership of Mount Hope Church does not attempt to identify the church as anti-homosexual, anti-choice, or right wing. The church does take the Bible at face value and believes what the Bible says to be the truth," Williams' statement continued.

"According to the Bible, Mount Hope Church believes homosexuality to be a sin, just as fornication, stealing, drunkenness, and lying are sins. No sin greater than the next. Mount Hope Church strives to follow Jesus' example of loving the sinner but not the sin while helping people change their lives for God's glory and their improved quality of life. Mount Hope Church also recognizes that to each person God grants freewill."

The church then offered help for people "caught up in unwanted sexual sin, drug abuse, and many other areas."

De Leeuw reported "the 'open minded' and 'tolerant' liberals ran down the aisles and across the pews, hoping against hope to catch a 'right winger' on tape daring to push back (none did).

"This is what we're up against," De Leeuw wrote. "Amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our president-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful churchgoers.

"Mount Hope, for the record, is an evangelical, Bible believing church whose members provide free 24-hour counseling, prayer lines, catastrophic care for families dealing with medical emergencies, support groups for men, women and children dealing with a wide variety of life's troubles, crisis intervention, marriage ministries, regular, organized volunteer work in and around the city, missions in dozens of countries across the globe, a construction ministry that has built over 100 churches, schools, orphanages and other projects all over the world and an in-depth prison ministry that reaches out, touches and helps the men and women the rest of society fears the most. They also teach respect for all human life and the Biblical sanctity of marriage as an institution between one man and one woman," De Leeuw wrote.

"The church's response? After things settled down, the blasphemy ended, the lewd props removed and the families safe from fear of additional men and women running into and past them the pastor took the stage and led the congregation in one more prayer ... not for retribution, or divine justice or a celestial comeuppance (that's what I'd have prayed for) but instead that the troubled individuals who'd just defiled the Lord's house, so full of anger and hate, would know Jesus' love in their lives and God's peace that exceeds human understanding," De Leeuw wrote.

His blog attracted dozens of comments, including one that said it was just as well the protesters hadn't picked his church.

"It was well within the church members' rights to respond with non-lethal force to put an immediate end to this assault. It this happened in my house, I'd have every right to throw someone out a window or two."

In a statement posted on the Internet, Bash Back confirmed its "operatives" were in the service, "stood up, declared themselves fags, and began screaming loudly. � Another group threw over a thousand fliers to the entire � congregation. The fire alarm was pulled. Queers began making out in front of the pastor. And within a matter of minutes, everyone had evaded the guards and made their escapes."

The statement continued, "Let is be known: So long as bigots kill us in the streets, this pack of wolves will continue to BASH BACK!"

The report comes just a day after video documentation of pro-homosexual protesters in California challenging a 69-year-old woman to a fight because she was affirming the biblical perspective of homosexuality.

"This screaming and shouting, name-calling and pushing by homosexual activists is not unlike a small child throwing a fit because he doesn't get his way," said Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families, a leading California-based pro-family group. "The public is getting a clue that homosexual activists don't like democracy and are willing to trample anyone and anything that gets in their way."

California voters by nearly 53 percent to 47 percent last week adopted a state constitutional amendment limiting marriage to one man and one woman.

Thomasson also has issued an analysis and a challenge called "How Shall We Live Under President-Elect Obama?" in which he describes the "moral free fall" encompassing the United States.

"America's greatness has been in people's self responsiblity, strong work ethic, moral character and knowledge of the proper role of government. But now a majority of Americans don't have these virtues and don't vote according to moral standards," he said.

By Bob Unruh
� 2008 WorldNetDaily
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Harpeau



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only beef is their pulling of a fire alarm. I think false alarms like that ~ by any group in the world is tacky~ if it makes firetrucks go the wrong direction.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your beef the pulling of the fire alarm by any chance?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was tit-for-tat I'd be all for it, but if they were protesting at a church with just a bunch of church people who don't agree with homosexuality, then it was a stupid thing to do.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
Is your beef the pulling of the fire alarm by any chance?

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny or not, if they were ACTUALLY hoping to affect change, they may want to screw their head on a little tighter and have another go.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

people who go to church as fn awful.. all they do is vote against progressive legislation and think theyre better than everyone else cause they think believing in this "thing" that made the earth, universe and is responsible for all life on this planet, lol, give me a break
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharkey wrote:
people who go to church as fn awful.. all they do is vote against progressive legislation and think theyre better than everyone else cause they think believing in this "thing" that made the earth, universe and is responsible for all life on this planet, lol, give me a break


They had no right to do what they did though, unless it was in response to something similar done by those specific people or that specific church. I will fight people like you (even though I have no idea how people believe in any stupid religion, which is all of them) to the death to allow them their freedom. Us non-believers only got the right to speak out against religion a few decades ago and we must hold on to that right, which means everyone can use it.

Also, you can't say they are the only ones who think they are better than others. Everyone does. And what is better?

I would actually be happy if there was no religion on this planet and I feel it has held our race back so much. But I would rather have religion and the ability to be agnostic than to throw the dice and hope what most people believe in is the same as me (otherwise you get stoned...)

Especially because, while not better, I am significantly smarter than the average person (ignorant masses) and don't want them telling me what I should do.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
I will fight people like you (even though I have no idea how people believe in any stupid religion, which is all of them) to the death to allow them their freedom.

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Really? I always wonder when people say this, do they really mean it. If I managed to lure Sharkey to an impromptu fight pit in daegu(not too hard, he's not too bright) would you come on down to Daegu and fight him to the death? That would be damn entertaining.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
I will fight people like you (even though I have no idea how people believe in any stupid religion, which is all of them) to the death to allow them their freedom.

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Really? I always wonder when people say this, do they really mean it. If I managed to lure Sharkey to an impromptu fight pit in daegu(not too hard, he's not too bright) would you come on down to Daegu and fight him to the death? That would be damn entertaining.


I don't mean physically. I can never tell if people are joking here or not Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
I will fight people like you (even though I have no idea how people believe in any stupid religion, which is all of them) to the death to allow them their freedom.

.


Really? I always wonder when people say this, do they really mean it. If I managed to lure Sharkey to an impromptu fight pit in daegu(not too hard, he's not too bright) would you come on down to Daegu and fight him to the death? That would be damn entertaining.


lol good luck, im probably twice your size and 10 times the athlete you are... but hey if you want to do this, its your funeral
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
sharkey wrote:
people who go to church as fn awful.. all they do is vote against progressive legislation and think theyre better than everyone else cause they think believing in this "thing" that made the earth, universe and is responsible for all life on this planet, lol, give me a break


They had no right to do what they did though, unless it was in response to something similar done by those specific people or that specific church. I will fight people like you (even though I have no idea how people believe in any stupid religion, which is all of them) to the death to allow them their freedom. Us non-believers only got the right to speak out against religion a few decades ago and we must hold on to that right, which means everyone can use it.

Also, you can't say they are the only ones who think they are better than others. Everyone does. And what is better?

I would actually be happy if there was no religion on this planet and I feel it has held our race back so much. But I would rather have religion and the ability to be agnostic than to throw the dice and hope what most people believe in is the same as me (otherwise you get stoned...)

Especially because, while not better, I am significantly smarter than the average person (ignorant masses) and don't want them telling me what I should do.



i didnt say i agreed with their way of protesting, but, i dont feel sorry for the church goers. they shouldnt have did what they did, but, its not a reoccurring theme, so this one time its alright.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am amazed there hasnt been attacks against churches in parts of the western world, i mean like throwing motolov cocktails into the building or other such destructive plans. I am sure its on its way, even though i dont want anyone getting hurt!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"This screaming and shouting, name-calling and pushing by homosexual activists is not unlike a small child throwing a fit because he doesn't get his way,"


In a democracy the majority wins. The people have spoken. Get over yourselves.

I dug this up about prop 8. Apparently the only thing that homosexuals have lost is the name "married couple". They still have rights as a domestic partner. Which I feel is the most important thing for a family.

In 1999 California Gov. Grey Davis signed a domestic partner bill, making California the first state to legally recognize same-sex couples.
Under California Law, homosexual couples �shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits� as married spouses (Family Code �297.5).

In 2000, 61% of Californians said Yes to Proposition 22, which simply stated: �Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.�

On May 15, 2008 the California Supreme Court, by a vote of 4�3, ruled to strike down Proposition 22 and all other prohibitions on same-sex marriage, as violating the state constitution, and ordered the state to begin processing same-sex marriages as of June 17, 2008.

Proposition 8 is the same 14 words California voters approved before, but this time it�s put into the constitution: �Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.�

Proposition 8 does not take any rights or privileges away from homosexuals. Under California Law, they �shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits� as married spouses (Family Code �297.5).

I believe that because so many people feel that "marriage" is a holy institution created by God (man/woman) they don't want it used in any other capacity. And when people want to use that term "marriage" to discribe something that is not based on the original purpose it causes a stir.

Alot of Christians I read about are concerned that if you open the door to marriage being between two individuals in love it could mean anybody. What's to stop two brothers or sisters from marrying. What if someone loves their dog so much that they want to marry it. It sounds absurd but the possibility is out there.

With this issue I feel there has to be a comprimise. One side wants to keep the name "marriage" holy. Give them that. The other side wants all the rights offered by married couples, ie: health insurance, bank accounts, etc. Give them that. Both sides should be happy with the concessions offered. But as long as you have people who want it all their way this will continue to be an issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quack Addict wrote:
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"This screaming and shouting, name-calling and pushing by homosexual activists is not unlike a small child throwing a fit because he doesn't get his way,"


In a democracy the majority wins. The people have spoken. Get over yourselves.

I dug this up about prop 8. Apparently the only thing that homosexuals have lost is the name "married couple". They still have rights as a domestic partner. Which I feel is the most important thing for a family.

In 1999 California Gov. Grey Davis signed a domestic partner bill, making California the first state to legally recognize same-sex couples.
Under California Law, homosexual couples �shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits� as married spouses (Family Code �297.5).

In 2000, 61% of Californians said Yes to Proposition 22, which simply stated: �Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.�

On May 15, 2008 the California Supreme Court, by a vote of 4�3, ruled to strike down Proposition 22 and all other prohibitions on same-sex marriage, as violating the state constitution, and ordered the state to begin processing same-sex marriages as of June 17, 2008.

Proposition 8 is the same 14 words California voters approved before, but this time it�s put into the constitution: �Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.�

Proposition 8 does not take any rights or privileges away from homosexuals. Under California Law, they �shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits� as married spouses (Family Code �297.5).

I believe that because so many people feel that "marriage" is a holy institution created by God (man/woman) they don't want it used in any other capacity. And when people want to use that term "marriage" to discribe something that is not based on the original purpose it causes a stir.

Alot of Christians I read about are concerned that if you open the door to marriage being between two individuals in love it could mean anybody. What's to stop two brothers or sisters from marrying. What if someone loves their dog so much that they want to marry it. It sounds absurd but the possibility is out there.

With this issue I feel there has to be a comprimise. One side wants to keep the name "marriage" holy. Give them that. The other side wants all the rights offered by married couples, ie: health insurance, bank accounts, etc. Give them that. Both sides should be happy with the concessions offered. But as long as you have people who want it all their way this will continue to be an issue.


Marriage to a dog would not be consenting, so it is a useless argument. THe sister and brother thing actually causes genetic problems and can not be allowed on that basis. They want marriage because it is a part of our society. Remember, society makes anyone who isn't married weird. So society has been pushing marriage on people for so long but then tells them they can't marry the person they love. There are other reasons too, but that is a big one.

A lot of Christians believed that black people should sit at the back of the bus. Luckily, people didn't just say oh well when the majority said they should be at the back. Imagine what would happen if they went to school with us. Think of all the doors that might open up... One day, there might actually be a black president.
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