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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Netz wrote: |
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Lastly, I'm of Pakistani descent but I'm British. I have a clear English accent and a brown face, so I win whatever happens.
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This goes a long way in explaining some of the difficulties you've had here.
Koreans are racist at their roots (although they have no clue that they are), and I'm sure they expect anyone with darker skin to kow tow to them.
It's also part of the allure of hiring people from Asian countries who speak English, as I'm sure Koreans unconsciously think that with their superior genes, they will easily be able to control Asians of different skin pigmentation.
If all you say is true, you should probably look into joining the "terminal bottom kisser" club, as you'll have to readjust your attitude, or you'll be in the same boat as the rest of us.
Oh wait, you already are. |
It is, perhaps, easier for them to exploit people from the Phillipines and Pakistan. However, Korea has signed a free trade agreement with the U.S. It should focus on employing more American teachers and improving the working environment for their American and Western teachers. That would be the logical thing to do. Us teachers are very important to Koreans more than they realize. Without English, they wouldn't be able to communicate properly with the outside world and so many Koreans who have learned a decent amount of English have in many cases never lived abroad and just studied at hagwons. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| With the dollar strengthening, will we see those from the States leaving, to be replaced by teachers from Manila in even larger quantities? |
I think we'll see some drop off in the numbers of Americans, but they'll mostly be replaced by Canadians, Brits, Aussies etc. because their currencies have also depreciated. |
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betchay
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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From: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/10/117_33495.html
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Ahn said the government plans to recruit assistant teachers from Singapore and other countries that adopt English as an official language as early as from December to meet the growing demands from parents for foreign English teachers.
At the same time, he said the government will open English teaching positions to other Koreans who don't have teaching licenses but can speak English fluently. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans are too racist and insular to make this work well.
They can barely set aside their prejudice even for Gyopos and the whiteys they want to be. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| harryh wrote: |
| With the dollar strengthening, will we see those from the States leaving, to be replaced by teachers from Manila in even larger quantities? |
I think we'll see some drop off in the numbers of Americans, but they'll mostly be replaced by Canadians, Brits, Aussies etc. because their currencies have also depreciated. |
Most Brits teach English in Europe. Can't see any reason why they'd want to come over here at the moment. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| So we`re being outsourced...haha bound to happen I suppose |
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harryh
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| harryh wrote: |
| With the dollar strengthening, will we see those from the States leaving, to be replaced by teachers from Manila in even larger quantities? |
I think we'll see some drop off in the numbers of Americans, but they'll mostly be replaced by Canadians, Brits, Aussies etc. because their currencies have also depreciated. |
Most Brits teach English in Europe. Can't see any reason why they'd want to come over here at the moment. |
True.
Also lifestyle, cultural activities are quite important too. I know many teachers from my days in Italy, Spain and Portugal who enjoyed their lives in those countries without earning great money.
I know two who had previously been to Korea, who had earnt quite good money (in 2001/2), but much preferred the lifestyle in Europe. They currently have longer vacation, more freedom to work part time, privates etc. They didn't particularly like the hagwons they worked at, and felt like slaves until the end of their contracts on E-2 visas.
In Europe, if a Brit doesn't like a job, they can quit and move on far more easily. Same goes for many Irish in Europe. I met a number of Irish when I was in Rome. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: What happened to this? |
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This is a reasonably old thread. Has there been any movement on this? Does anyone have any information about what requirments the Filipino teachers will need? Will they need to be experienced teachers or pass an English test?
How long before the first of them arrive? That is Filipinos getting in to teach English as opposed to marrying Koreans and THEN teaching English. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: 26,000 |
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26,000 visas available, but only about 2600 will come.
Korea's too cold for most Filipinos. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm guessing the visa requirements for Filipino teachers will be pretty high, given Korea's pattern of only issuing visas to university graduates (until this summer, anyway). Maybe Korea would have gotten more Filipino teachers before the won crashed, but today it's 1400 to the dollar.
I'm assuming they'll pay them bare minimum, like what they pay TaLK program participants -- 1,500,000 won a month. That'd be $1,071.43 a month by today's exchange rate.
I realize this is a good level of pay relative to what the average Filipino in the Philippines makes, but any Filipino who makes it through the visa process will have to have a much higher English level and educational level than the average Filipino -- and will require more money. Back when the won was 900 or so to the dollar, working in Korea may have seemed attractive, but I don't doubt for an instant that the won will hit 1,500 to the dollar, soon.
I think I'm already seeing more Filipinos around here, or maybe I'm just noticing them since having read this post. I think it'll take a while for the information to get disseminated, though, and even after that, there are MANY developed countries that offer a superior package to what Korea's economy has to offer right now.
I predict that almost all of the Filipinos who come here will be Korean drama-crazed women, who will soon realize that Korea (especially in the winter) is not the dreamy wonderland, married-to-a-CEO lifestyle that they see on TV. |
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gazz
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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WTF - E&SL might be able to do your job better than you? At the worst case scenario they will raise standards!
Cheap - Like I said the guys who i have met in K who are fluent P speakers speak English in a very fluent manor. These guys are the ones who chose to enlist into the K army for whatever reason!
Once they have done their 2 years watch your backs!  They are motivated, diligent, and speak better English than some of the Americans I have met!
I *beep* you not!!!!!!
I am right near the DMZ so i can comment on this! ha ha!!!!
These guys are the most polite, nice respectful people in the world! And they are accepted within the K army (from what i see with open arms!).
Think about that next time you may be in Itaewon and decide to do a 'western brain fart!' |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: |
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I'm guessing the visa requirements for Filipino teachers will be pretty high, given Korea's pattern of only issuing visas to university graduates (until this summer, anyway). Maybe Korea would have gotten more Filipino teachers before the won crashed, but today it's 1400 to the dollar.
I'm assuming they'll pay them bare minimum, like what they pay TaLK program participants -- 1,500,000 won a month. That'd be $1,071.43 a month by today's exchange rate.
I realize this is a good level of pay relative to what the average Filipino in the Philippines makes, but any Filipino who makes it through the visa process will have to have a much higher English level and educational level than the average Filipino -- and will require more money. Back when the won was 900 or so to the dollar, working in Korea may have seemed attractive, but I don't doubt for an instant that the won will hit 1,500 to the dollar, soon.
I think I'm already seeing more Filipinos around here, or maybe I'm just noticing them since having read this post. I think it'll take a while for the information to get disseminated, though, and even after that, there are MANY developed countries that offer a superior package to what Korea's economy has to offer right now.
I predict that almost all of the Filipinos who come here will be Korean drama-crazed women, who will soon realize that Korea (especially in the winter) is not the dreamy wonderland, married-to-a-CEO lifestyle that they see on TV. |
You have no idea about the situation in the Philippines do you? They come here working six days a week for 1-1.5k... 12 hour shifts.... in factories. Not easy work.
My wife's two sisters teach and both have an M.A. They teach at a university (not the top tier) and they make under 400 dollars a month.
Last I heard University of Manila people with a doctorates make lesst than 1.1k. That's the cream of the crop and even the crap hagwon/ps gig here with the exchange rate (free housing) matches that under your posts' criteria.
They would and will love to come here. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
I'm guessing the visa requirements for Filipino teachers will be pretty high, given Korea's pattern of only issuing visas to university graduates (until this summer, anyway). Maybe Korea would have gotten more Filipino teachers before the won crashed, but today it's 1400 to the dollar.
I'm assuming they'll pay them bare minimum, like what they pay TaLK program participants -- 1,500,000 won a month. That'd be $1,071.43 a month by today's exchange rate.
I realize this is a good level of pay relative to what the average Filipino in the Philippines makes, but any Filipino who makes it through the visa process will have to have a much higher English level and educational level than the average Filipino -- and will require more money. Back when the won was 900 or so to the dollar, working in Korea may have seemed attractive, but I don't doubt for an instant that the won will hit 1,500 to the dollar, soon.
I think I'm already seeing more Filipinos around here, or maybe I'm just noticing them since having read this post. I think it'll take a while for the information to get disseminated, though, and even after that, there are MANY developed countries that offer a superior package to what Korea's economy has to offer right now.
I predict that almost all of the Filipinos who come here will be Korean drama-crazed women, who will soon realize that Korea (especially in the winter) is not the dreamy wonderland, married-to-a-CEO lifestyle that they see on TV. |
You have no idea about the situation in the Philippines do you? They come here working six days a week for 1-1.5k... 12 hour shifts.... in factories. Not easy work.
My wife's two sisters teach and both have an M.A. They teach at a university (not the top tier) and they make under 400 dollars a month.
Last I heard University of Manila people with a doctorates make lesst than 1.1k. That's the cream of the crop and even the crap hagwon/ps gig here with the exchange rate (free housing) matches that under your posts' criteria.
They would and will love to come here. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
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I'm guessing the visa requirements for Filipino teachers will be pretty high, given Korea's pattern of only issuing visas to university graduates (until this summer, anyway). Maybe Korea would have gotten more Filipino teachers before the won crashed, but today it's 1400 to the dollar.
I'm assuming they'll pay them bare minimum, like what they pay TaLK program participants -- 1,500,000 won a month. That'd be $1,071.43 a month by today's exchange rate.
I realize this is a good level of pay relative to what the average Filipino in the Philippines makes, but any Filipino who makes it through the visa process will have to have a much higher English level and educational level than the average Filipino -- and will require more money. Back when the won was 900 or so to the dollar, working in Korea may have seemed attractive, but I don't doubt for an instant that the won will hit 1,500 to the dollar, soon.
I think I'm already seeing more Filipinos around here, or maybe I'm just noticing them since having read this post. I think it'll take a while for the information to get disseminated, though, and even after that, there are MANY developed countries that offer a superior package to what Korea's economy has to offer right now.
I predict that almost all of the Filipinos who come here will be Korean drama-crazed women, who will soon realize that Korea (especially in the winter) is not the dreamy wonderland, married-to-a-CEO lifestyle that they see on TV. |
You have no idea about the situation in the Philippines do you? |
Actually, I have several friends from the Philippines, and they told me what Filipinos make. So you obviously don't know whether I know about the situation in the Philippines or not, do you?
We are not talking about the "average" Filipino. Those people are not, and probably never will be eligible to teach in Korea. We are talking about the top-educated Filipinos.
I'll tell you about my Filipina friend, Edel. She is young, in her 20s, and works in customer service in the Philippines (she is fluent in English) and gets about $5,000 a year. She lives on a tiny percentage of that. So basically, she saves almost all of the $5,000 a year. Supposing she were even eligible to teach in South Korea, she would make, let's see, maybe $10,000 a year? Then she'd have to blow half of that on food, transportation, and all the other miscellaneous expenses that crop up around here. Before long, she'd realize that she was saving little more than when she was in the Philippines -- and living in a country where people look down on her as a racial inferior, treat her like a slave, and where the winter is bitter cold. She would have no parental support network like she has in the Philippines, either.
Sure, some Filipinos will come, but there are still at least 20 other countries where well-educated Filipinos with fluent English can go that are far more appealing. |
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