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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| John_ESL_White wrote: |
For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
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Find language exchange partners and have them introduce you to people. This can lead to a chain of loyal students based on recommendations from family members and friends, not posted advertisements (posted advertisements are open windows for immigration to get you, personal connections are very safe).
Wait until you've been meeting with your language exchange partner for about three meetings (so you know you can trust them) before popping the question. I'm still making 100,000 won a week from the indirect contacts of a language exchange partner I met in January and don't even keep in touch with anymore. So I invested about three hours on the language exchanges to get those contacts, and I'm still getting a significant return on my investment.  |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| John_ESL_White wrote: |
For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
Thanks |
Let's all remember this post the next time someone talks about how underhanded recruiters can be.
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| John_ESL_White wrote: |
For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
Thanks |
Let's all remember this post the next time someone talks about how underhanded recruiters can be.
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY. |
Some of them are. I had no problem cutting out my recruiter and taking on some of her students directly when I found out she was swindling me 40% of my pay, though. The students were paying her 50,000 won and I was getting 30,000. FOR EVERY HOUR I WORKED. Revenge was past due.
The damn thing is, I speak great Korean because I graduated from Yonsei University Korean Language Institute. I just figured "why do I need a parasite like this to take all my money?" Now I'm recruiter-free and loving it. At least from a part-time job-finding standpoint, it's great to be a white Korean speaker. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| John_ESL_White wrote: |
For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
Thanks |
Let's all remember this post the next time someone talks about how underhanded recruiters can be.
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY. |
Some of them are. I had no problem cutting out my recruiter and taking on some of her students directly when I found out she was swindling me 40% of my pay, though. The students were paying her 50,000 won and I was getting 30,000. FOR EVERY HOUR I WORKED. Revenge was past due.
The damn thing is, I speak great Korean because I graduated from Yonsei University Korean Language Institute. I just figured "why do I need a parasite like this to take all my money?" Now I'm recruiter-free and loving it. At least from a part-time job-finding standpoint, it's great to be a white Korean speaker. |
"Revenge was past due"?
You were offered jobs at 30,000 won/hour, and you took the jobs. It doesn't matter what the recruiter/agent was making. If you thought 30,000 was unfair, you shouldn't have taken the jobs.
Why was there a need for revenge? Maybe you mean that you were avenging the students, who were, in your eyes, being over-charged?
If that's the case, then I assume you're still charging no more than 30,000 for your private lessons. |
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Teelo
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Wellington, NZ
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
Let's all remember this post the next time someone talks about how underhanded recruiters can be.
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY. |
Gotta fight fire with fire  |
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maingman
Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: . |
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Joe B wrote :
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY.
thats onlly through a lot of the cra* thats handed over to them
from schools and some agents/recruters within
Korea?! right? |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| John_ESL_White wrote: |
For those of us who can legally teach PT in Korea, there are many ways to cut out the recruiter.
For one, the recruiter only provides an introduction and nothing more. They then leach money month after month from our hard work.
One tried and true method for cutting out the recruiter for PT work is to get the introduction, work for a month and then, if the customer likes you, pitch them the idea of them paying you directly. This works 90% of the time. It's more effective if you can give them a receipt for services. This means setting up a small business.
Another method is to con the recruiter into giving you the company name and address under a false name. Then you can appraoch the company on your own, with business cards in habd.
Has anyone else had any success in cutting out the leaching PT business job recruiters?
Any other tips?
Thanks |
Let's all remember this post the next time someone talks about how underhanded recruiters can be.
Teachers are JUST AS DIRTY. |
You have to take into account, that "headhunters" here, do not operate of the normal scheme. Headhunters in "developed countries" usually get paid a commision by the employer for finding the employee.
Not in Korea. These guys want to take half the money, for doing nothing, month after month. And that is all based off the teachers performance.
The agency has done nothing more than introduce the parties, which in my mind does not justify keeping half the monthly pay for as long as the teacher manages to keep the contract alive.
That's dirty.
Sucking off someone else's hard work, for as long as they can, without doing anything.
You have to understand, when people on F visas do something like this, it's not because they want to, it's becuase they have been forced into doing it that way, unless they like being &$^%ed over on a continual basis.
Deal with it. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Netz wrote: |
You have to take into account, that "headhunters" here, do not operate of the normal scheme. Headhunters in "developed countries" usually get paid a commision by the employer for finding the employee.
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First of all, here's a news flash for you re: Korea's designation as a developed country.
Now, onto your point about headhunters/recruiters...
Yes, recruiters often get a one-time payment as a finder's fee. The hagwans pay this.
So what happens for private lessons? Who's going to pay the recruiter a large enough, one-time "finder's fee" for their services? YOU? lol. That's why recruiters have to take a cut of what is being made.
You don't like it? Don't go through a recruiter! Jesus.
But if you're going to be a dirty c*cksucker, at least have the decency to drop the self-righteous "recruiters deserve it because they're dirty" act.
| Netz wrote: |
Deal with it. |
As a former full-time recruiter, and present part-time recruiter, believe me, I have "deal(t) with it". And the offending teacher dealt with the repercussions. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| Netz wrote: |
You have to take into account, that "headhunters" here, do not operate of the normal scheme. Headhunters in "developed countries" usually get paid a commision by the employer for finding the employee.
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First of all, here's a news flash for you re: Korea's designation as a developed country.
Now, onto your point about headhunters/recruiters...
Yes, recruiters often get a one-time payment as a finder's fee. The hagwans pay this.
So what happens for private lessons? Who's going to pay the recruiter a large enough, one-time "finder's fee" for their services? YOU? lol. That's why recruiters have to take a cut of what is being made.
You don't like it? Don't go through a recruiter! Jesus.
But if you're going to be a dirty c*cksucker, at least have the decency to drop the self-righteous "recruiters deserve it because they're dirty" act.
| Netz wrote: |
Deal with it. |
As a former full-time recruiter, and present part-time recruiter, believe me, I have "deal(t) with it". And the offending teacher dealt with the repercussions. |
What's the matter, Joe? Don't like it when a free-agent Simian migrates off the range? The majority of recruiters and handlers in Korea hover somewhere between primordial soup and stromatolites. If a student is willing to pay x won for an hour lesson, why should the handler keep 0.40x or 0.50x of the earnings, hour after hour, week after week, month after month?
Charging a flat introductory fee and pissing off would be the more equitable thing to do, but no. The exploitation and parasitic relationship perpetuates ad infinitum thanks to the avarice of grifters masquerading as legitimate business people. Delude yourself all you want, but we all know who the real villain is in this scenario. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| Netz wrote: |
You have to take into account, that "headhunters" here, do not operate of the normal scheme. Headhunters in "developed countries" usually get paid a commision by the employer for finding the employee.
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Yes, recruiters often get a one-time payment as a finder's fee. The hagwans pay this.
So what happens for private lessons? Who's going to pay the recruiter a large enough, one-time "finder's fee" for their services? YOU? lol. That's why recruiters have to take a cut of what is being made.
You don't like it? Don't go through a recruiter! Jesus.
But if you're going to be a dirty c*cksucker, at least have the decency to drop the self-righteous "recruiters deserve it because they're dirty" act.
| Netz wrote: |
Deal with it. |
As a former full-time recruiter, and present part-time recruiter, believe me, I have "deal(t) with it". And the offending teacher dealt with the repercussions. |
Ok, let's go over this again for you my thick skulled friend.
Yes, recruiters get paid by the hagwon when picked up on a contract. Why?
Becuase both the teacher, and the hagwon owner would laugh them out of the office if they tried to pull that "give me 50% per month" bullshit.
So that's a load of hooey.
Second, if you knew jack &#^$ about this country's "culture", you'd realize the recruiters are simply a buffer for the employer 9 out of 10 times. In fact, it surprises the hell out most "part-time" employers, when they find out just how much the "agent" keeps. This is why it's such an "easy sell" to get the employer to drop the "agent", becuase even they see the inequity in the arrangment, and in fact sometimes suggest dropping the "agent" themselves. (Usually becuase the "agent" has lied to them as well lol). They usually get thier rate lowered as well, once the POS of gone.
Also, yes, I have paid "agents" a one time fee, after I (that's right ME, based on my skills and experience) got the job. Sure, I did it because they cried thier little &#^$iing eyes out to the employer or threatened them with some nonsense, but I have done it.
Lastly, I don't use recruiters anymore, don't need to at this point, but that doesn't mean I condone thier BS, and have been more than happy to help others manuever around the blood sucking parasites. The truth is, most of the time the recruiters are sending, unqaulified, illegals in to work, and if anyone is going to "handle", it'll be me reporting those illegals to immigration anonymously.
You talk real tough Joe, and you sound like a recruiter, a big POS of who's full of himself, and will resort to threats, and outright lies, in order to try and psychologically intimidate others.
I have some news for you, it isn't working with me. I have over ten years here of dealing with morons like you, and I smile to myself everytime I deposit my ENITRE paycheck in the bank, knowing some idiot who could NEVER do my job, isn't getting any of MY money.
You don't like it? Don't be a recruiter, becuase as far as I'm concerned, you deserve to get screwed over. You're trying to do it to them, and then get pissed off if someone bend's you over with the KY?
Self-righteous?
How about this word?
Hypocrite.
I'm done with you, becuase no matter how long we have this conversation, you are going to continue to justify ripping people off, and placing illegal workers. that's your right.
Mine is to take advanatage of all avenues availble to me in order to command the highest salary possible, and if that means cutting bozos like you out of the pecking order, so be it. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Cuttin Out the Recruiter for PT work |
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| purple_buddha wrote: |
| The exploitation and parasitic relationship perpetuates ad infinitum thanks to the avarice of grifters masquerading as legitimate business people. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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It's simple. Recruiters provide a service. You don't want that service? Don't go through a recruiter.
BUT...
if you WANT that service, and TAKE that service, only to "cut out the middleman" later, then that makes you just as "dirty" as the recruiters and the hogwan bosses. Which is fine, but just recognize that EVERYONE in the ESL business are pricks --- not just the recruiters.
The teachers screw the recruiters, the schools screw the the teachers (and sometimes the recruiters), and the recruiters screw everyone. It's the ESL daisy chain.
As I mentioned earlier, I used to recruit full-time. Why did I stop? Lying, unreasonable hagwan owners, and teachers "cutting out the middleman".
Schools try to get out of paying you (the recruiter). Teachers try to get the name of the school you recruit for, so that they can contact the school themselves (If you don't give them the name of the school, they say "how can I trust you if you can't give me the school name").
The ESL business is dirty, but it's not just the recruiters. That's what I said in my first post on this thread.
PS Netz, PM on its way. |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Boxer I know where you are coming from, but you are fighting a loosing battle here.
They provide NO service other than an introduction. So a one minute phone call entitles them to 30-50% of my salary for as long as I work at a job. I guess it is a business; the PIMPING business.
What really annoys me is that they usually promote E's to perform illegal work, such as working in kindies that do not and can not ever qualify for for the appropriate license. Of course if there is ever a problem, you know who takes the serious hit; and it isn't the recruiter!
My motto; if it's a war they want... |
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