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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: When another foreign teacher asks you about your hagwon |
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A foreign teacher who works at another branch and has different circumstances knows I am leaving. He is not sure if that means bad new or I am just taking off and I'm done. Frankly, I am getting a letter of release, and I am leaving, and I am being super nice around work, doing what I have to do and going out the door when it's the last day of the term. A guy I've seen off-and-on in my building who ended up at the other branch is maybe going to go to my branch. He talked to me about it a couple of months, and I talked to him on the phone, and then e-mailed him about the job.
I did mention some of the negative aspects of the job and some of the positive ones. More negative ones are on the scene since I last talked to him, at least from my perspective. I, frankly, didn't want to receive the e-mail from the guy or for him to be informed I was leaving. I, then, called a friend at another branch asking for advice, and he said he was asked about his particular branch, because the guy was maybe going to move to this other branch, and my friend didn't want to get into it, and said his circumstances were different.
I am contemplating simply not responding to the e-mail and having my lack of response to be interpreted as he wishes. I am waiting for my letter of release. I am under no obligation to respond. I asked one of my co-workers who is staying to maybe talk to him instead since she is staying, and he is taking over her slot, and she will be going to the team I am leaving. Anyway, he knows our boss isn't too great, so he is taking his own risk.
Your thoughts....My friends including someone who works with me says it's not my problem and if I don't reply it says something.
She didn't want to deal with it and said he will find out when he comes over just like she did. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say,
Hey, glad to hear from you again and write you this LETTER. I hope things are going well. I'll be leaving on XXXX and I'd appreciate it, if my name comes up with my boss, that you'd tell him I gave you a very good reference about the school. That is very important to me at this time. Extremely important. Because OF this, I would like to tell you many positive, happy things about this school, so my boss will reciprocate in kind and RELEASE me happily. I surely don't want to upset my boss, or complicate things for myself during this transition.
With that said, please come to our school and sign immediately, because this hagwon is a far better job than even a university job with 5 months of vacation and twice the salary. Yes, nothing could ever come close. That's how great this school is. Look no further, and please let my boss know that I said positive things to you. His happiness is the most important thing to me at this point.
Good luck.
Or... you could tell a kind of story:
When I was a child, I tried eating liver at a restaurant. The owner of the restaurant let people eat for free if they liked the liver he cooked. The first time I tried it, I didn't know what it was. A neighbor happened to come in to try a plate of the liver, but before he ordered, he asked me what it tasted like. I said it seemed to taste OK to me. The neighbor wasn't all that hungry yet, and decided to come back to try the liver another day.
As luck would have it, I was eating at the restaurant a second time and the neighbor stopped in again. He wanted to know what the liver tasted like. This time, however, the cook was standing over us listening to what I said. The cook knewl that the recipe had changed a bit, and I no longer liked the taste. Because the cook was standing there, I was afraid to answer.
Have you ever tried liver? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I basically told the teacher since I've seen him off-and-on in my building for over a year, and he seems like a decent guy and, though he doesn't know me well, approaches me with this certain respect. I figured I would give him the scoop, tell him what he should expect based on my experience in the school, and asked him ask himself certain questions about what he could and couldn't do based on his circumstances, and I did tell him the person who he is replacing, because she is coming to my team has slightly less classes then he has, and she takes work home once in a while.
I told him that I cannot be connected to him working at that branch or not. That it's up to him, and that I thought he's a nice guy, so I thought I would mention some important stuff to him. I didn't tell him I totally hate working there. I just described the conditions, spoke to him in a way to where he could read between the lines. He's a sharp guy. I am sure he can. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
When I was a child, I tried eating liver at a restaurant. The owner of the restaurant let people eat for free if they liked the liver he cooked. The first time I tried it, I didn't know what it was. A neighbor happened to come in to try a plate of the liver, but before he ordered, he asked me what it tasted like. I said it seemed to taste OK to me. The neighbor wasn't all that hungry yet, and decided to come back to try the liver another day.
As luck would have it, I was eating at the restaurant a second time and the neighbor stopped in again. He wanted to know what the liver tasted like. This time, however, the cook was standing over us listening to what I said. The cook knewl that the recipe had changed a bit, and I no longer liked the taste. Because the cook was standing there, I was afraid to answer.
Have you ever tried liver? |
I thoroughly enjoyed that! |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Adventurer"]I basically told the teacher since I've seen him off-and-on in my building for over a year, and he seems like a decent guy and, though he doesn't know me well, approaches me with this certain respect. I figured I would give him the scoop, tell him what he should expect based on my experience in the school, and asked him ask himself certain questions about what he could and couldn't do based on his circumstances, and I did tell him the person who he is replacing, because she is coming to my team has slightly less classes then he has, and she takes work home once in a while.
I told him that I cannot be connected to him working at that branch or not. That it's up to him, and that I thought he's a nice guy, so I thought I would mention some important stuff to him. I didn't tell him I totally hate working there. I just described the conditions, spoke to him in a way to where he could read betwe lines. He's a sharp guy. I am sure he can.
I love that liver example. I can't stand eating liver, and I can't stand my job. I am not sure which one is worse, but I didn't tell him I hate my job. I am told him what to basically expect, but that he would have to talk to the other teacher teaching the classes he's teaching. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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you know what - people rarely ever actually take advice - you know if you tell him your job sucks - he might be so full of himself he thinks it's just you - or that he's so blessed it won't suck for him -
I'd just ignore his email and if he stops you and asks just say you felt it was time to move on or something like that - and you don't recall his email or were too busy to respond whatever -
I've responded as the FT to others and sometimes they listened, sometimes they didn't. People do what they are going to do.
Don't let it bug you so much -you are just worried about leaving. Think positive thoughts, try and destress and concentrate on your own future - it's the one that matters anyway, right? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
you know what - people rarely ever actually take advice - you know if you tell him your job sucks - he might be so full of himself he thinks it's just you - or that he's so blessed it won't suck for him -
I'd just ignore his email and if he stops you and asks just say you felt it was time to move on or something like that - and you don't recall his email or were too busy to respond whatever -
I've responded as the FT to others and sometimes they listened, sometimes they didn't. People do what they are going to do.
Don't let it bug you so much -you are just worried about leaving. Think positive thoughts, try and destress and concentrate on your own future - it's the one that matters anyway, right? |
Actually, he wouldn't ignore what I have to say, because he works at the other branch, and he respects me and I was the first person he turned to when he had questions. He knows I won't B.S. him. I just told him the facts, and I also gave him advice based on certain plans he has.
He appreciated it. I just told him to act as if I never responded to his e-mail. I am not really telling him to take the job. However, I basically hinted, if I were him and wanting to certain things he mentioned taking a job at our company would be at cross purposes with his goals. Yes, I am destressing. By the way, it's Saturday, and I just put in 3 hours at work grading stuff. I am going in on Sunday as well. I am counting the days until I'm gone, and I feel sorry for the ones staying behind. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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My advice - don't respond.
The golden rule in K-land is "Keep your trap shut." I once told a co-worker (whom, at the time I thought I could trust) something about the K-boss in confidence, and the idiot blabed it to the K-boss when he was mad at him... "cruisemonkey says..."  |
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
My advice - don't respond.
The golden rule in K-land is "Keep your trap shut." I once told a co-worker (whom, at the time I thought I could trust) something about the K-boss in confidence, and the idiot blabed it to the K-boss when he was mad at him... "cruisemonkey says..."  |
It's too late, I responded. I, however, was diplomatic. I left certain things. I didn't talk about how I felt about management and the management style. He asked me about the work-load, and I said he should compare it to his current load whatever it is at the other branch, and if he wants to study Korean and work at the same time, he has to decide if the schedule proposed to him is compatible with that goal, and if he decides not to take the job or what have you, to give the manager and the foreign staff already there the courtesty to say he is not coming on board, and that if he wants to take the job, then great, and if he doesn't, then great. Basically, I was diplomatic and didn't really say anything that could get me in trouble. I was pretty much legalese about things while giving him heads-up. |
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