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Nintendo DS & DS Lite, what's the skinny?
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Nintendo DS & DS Lite, what's the skinny? Reply with quote

I'm think about picking up a couple of DSes for some kids I know. I was wondering how cheaply I can get them and which is the better choice, the DS or the DS Lite?

Also, is it easy to get hacked games for them? Laughing

One last thing, can you load dictionaries on them? It kind of seems like they are a dual screen PDA. If you couldn't do a dictionary with one, will they at least work with text files so one could read books on them?

Thanks,
Chaz
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TeeBee



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chaz

First: the DS is the older version of the machine, and the DS Lite is the newer version. I seriously doubt you'd even find the older DS anywhere. Don't waste your money on it if you do. Get a DS Lite.

I bought myself a DS Lite a few weeks ago at the Nanjin Arcade near Yongsan station. It cost 135,000 won for the machine itself, and another 45,000 won for an R4 card and 2gb memory card. I also got a crystal case and earphones thrown in for free! Total: 180,000 won.

Here's a map of the area around Yongsan (thanks to ttompatz!). You can see where the Nanjin Arcade is:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/yongsan2.jpg

The R4 card and its Micro SD memory card is what is used to load things like homebrew games and dictionaries - and downloaded games if you want. There are newer cards available, like the TT card, which can handle larger memory card sizes. The newer cards are slightly more expensive.

The person selling the DS Lite to you should preload the R4 (or TT) with some software, and usually some games if you want.

I have loaded some dictionaries onto my DS Lite, and it works pretty well. It's not particularly slick, but it does the job. You can read more on how to add dictionaries to your DS Lite here:

http://www.alutz.com/streetstatic/?p=16

You can also read books on a DS Lite, though I've only seen software to read txt files. Check out some more about this here:

http://www.techusers.org/2007/09/10/reading-e-books-on-your-nintendo-ds-lite/

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/DS/feature.asp?c=3832

The bigger the memory card you use, the more you can store on it. So if you can, get a TT card with at least a 4gb memory card. This will probably bump up the total price of your DS Lite to around 200,000 won.

If it's your thing, hacked games are easy to find on torrent websites.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no DS in Korea. Only DS Lite. If you are in the States, you can get a DS real cheap. I dont' know why you would want to though. The original ones were ugly as sin and bulky.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asthetics aside, the Lite has the advantages of brighter screens that protect each other when closed and a better battery.
There's a new model out too, about the same size as the DSLite, but with a built in camera and 3" screens. I saw it on the subway last night, and it seems a better design than the DSLite, but hardly the quantum leap of industrial design that it's predecessor was.
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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
There's a new model out too, about the same size as the DSLite, but with a built in camera and 3" screens.

I think you mean 3.25" screens for the new DSi model.

Anyway, I'm looking at getting a DS Lite too (well, as a gift from someone). Is it possible to buy the R4 chip without the SD memory - already have one. Or do you need them to pre-load the homebrew on it? If I want to play downloaded games, do I need to install some kind of homebrew emulator? What's a good DS hacking forum with all the info I need to know?
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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha.. just did some quick reading up on wiki and found this funny to be specifically mentioned:
Quote:
In South Korea, many video game consumers exploit illegal copies of video games, including for the Nintendo DS. In 2007, 500,000 copies of DS games were sold, while the sales of the DS hardware units was 800,000.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommy wrote:
OneWayTraffic wrote:
There's a new model out too, about the same size as the DSLite, but with a built in camera and 3" screens.

I think you mean 3.25" screens for the new DSi model.

Anyway, I'm looking at getting a DS Lite too (well, as a gift from someone). Is it possible to buy the R4 chip without the SD memory - already have one. Or do you need them to pre-load the homebrew on it? If I want to play downloaded games, do I need to install some kind of homebrew emulator? What's a good DS hacking forum with all the info I need to know?


They are stupidly easy to use. No hacking of any kind required. The R4 (or more likely DSTT, R4s are old news now) emulates a DS cartridge, so all you do is plop the ROM image on the SD card, put it in the machine, turn it on and up pops a menu of all the games on your card. Choose one and play. The loader is in the DSTT firmware.

EDIT: Word is the new DSi may have upgradeable firmware that could make all this more difficult.
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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob, thanks for that.
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asparker



Joined: 13 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
EDIT: Word is the new DSi may have upgradeable firmware that could make all this more difficult.


I could be mistaken but I think it's got an SD card already built in. I would guess that the hackers will have this new version under control and running 'homebrew' in no time at all.

That said, I've got a DS lite. I love it and it's easy to use. You could wait and spend more on the DSi when it comes out but I'd just go with the Lite.
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internjim



Joined: 29 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a used ds lite, and mod TT card, and 4gb card with games all for about 180,000 with alot of extras thrown in. Since then I have downloaded about 400 games, and bought an 8gb microsd card for it too. With different homebrew programs you can use your DS as a palm pilot with the DS Organize program, as a movie and music player with the moonshell program, or you can download pretty much every gb and gameboy color game ever made and it takes up very little space, and with Lameboy you can play them all on your DS. To look up games or ROMS as they are called online, just type in free nintendo DS roms on any search engine (i use yahoo) and follow the links and download as many games as you can fit on your hard drive. It is extremely easy to transfer games over. Get one for those kids, and treat yourself to one, it is AWESOME!

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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I got one last week from my gf as an early christmas present. I went with her to Yongsan, but I found the Nanjin Arcade to be a little more pricey.. maybe I didn't talk to enough people. Ended up going to 3 booths in the GwangGwang Terminal right before the bridge to Nanjin Arcade and got a good deal with all the regulars thrown in. Also, there are now R4's with SDHC support.

Really impressed with the ease of transferring games and using the homebrew (moonshell) for listening to music and watching movies. I haven't tried playing roms from other systems or Lucas Art SCUMM games or the like, but I heard it's possible!

By the way, I used this site to get roms, http://www.romulation.net/NDS/

What's a good DS forum for learning about homebrew, hardware, etc? - all I've found is http://www.ds-scene.net/
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positive



Joined: 05 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommy wrote:

What's a good DS forum for learning about homebrew, hardware, etc? - all I've found is http://www.ds-scene.net/


Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.dsfanboy.com/category/homebrew/

DS Fanboy is the stuff... it is updated daily with stuff I actually want to know about. Look here for homebrew and hardware, other pages on the site review games, talk speculation, and even show pictures of Gameboys that were burnt in the Gulf war, but still play Tetris perfectly.

I like it a lot.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have had one sitting in my wife's desk for a year, and it has been used all but 10 minutes. She refuses to sell it, because it was a gift from her brother.

I'd like to put it to use. Are there any programs for learning Korean? What else might I use it for? I'm not really into games so much.
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Joined: 05 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Are there any programs for learning Korean? What else might I use it for? I'm not really into games so much.


Touch Dictionary is a program that translates from English to Korean and back, as well as Korean to Japaneese. It was called TouchDic in development. And it wasn't a joke.

I have "My Weight Loss Coach." I'm not sure if it will actually help you lose weight, but it's not a game. There are also several Spanish and French Language programs.

Traditionally paper games, such as word searches, crossword puzzles, and sudoku are availible on the DS. If you're really looking to do out-there stuff with your DS, check out:

http://www.dsfanboy.com/category/homebrew/

Scroll down, and you'll see a picture of a guy running his fancy video camera... with a DS. You can also use it as a palm pilot, if you download the right home brew applications.

I'm excited for a commercial program that lets you turn your DS into a beatmaker.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DS has lots of stuff for the non-gamer. I'm working my way through three years of New York Times crossword puzzles. I've got about an A average on Mondays, Tuesdays about a B and I haven't worked my way up to Wednesdays yet. Saturdays and Sundays I can get one or two clues at the most and then it's a crapshoot. The handwriting recognition is awesome and it's a great way to get started doing crosswords.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/722430

The Nintendo CrossworDS is good for people who've never done a crossword puzzle, but pretty simplistic for anyone who has any experience at all. I blew through the hardest puzzle unlocked at the beginning in about five minutes and you have to do about 200 of them to unlock anything harder. They're really good for the intermediate-advanced English student though.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1390480

There's a lot of language learning software, but none for learning Korean in particular. I suppose the Korean, English learning programs could work the other way around...
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