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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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If you are only paying 14.50, then you aren't getting much traffic. |
What in God's name are you talking about?!?!? What you pay for hosting a domain has NOTHING to do with traffic. You must be pretty new. Yes you can guess how much traffic you will get and then purchase the package you want. But you are NOT paying your host according to how many hits you get. The bottom package for my host is $6.06 a year - the next one up is $13.85 (sorry I thought it was $14.50). Would you like to see the rate sheet? http://kingpinhosting.com/home/index.php?p=1
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Hate to burst your bubble, http://www.sse-franchise.com/forsale.shtml
I worked closely with the owner of this franchise before he sold it, http://www.sse-franchise.com/listings/otsu_shiga.shtml
He specifically hired me to work with him AFTER he decided to sell it and until he got it sold. He didn't want to lose customers, nor did the guy who bought it. How many customers are you getting, now that you have closed shop?
But go on, I am enjoying your posts. What lame claims will you promise us next time? |
Oh I get it. Sorry I didn't know you have difficulty in basic comprehension. You may wish to look into some night classes in beginner literacy - perhaps one of the ESL teachers over there can help you. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not selling a franchise; I am selling a website. Do you go the the grocery store and ask to test drive dirt bikes? I am not claiming anything - I have even stated I am not providing a client list or continuing to place teachers. I am not "continuing to get customers now that I have closed up shop" because I have closed up shop. Are you really having this much difficulty with the concept? Instead of paying a developer $45 an hour to create a dabase driven site - I am selling this one. Try saying out loud.
Oh ya... if you find me a developer who will create a CMS (Content Management Site) like that one for $100. I have about 5 sites lined up right now where I'll hire him. 
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jadarite

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of attacking my comments, it would make your offer more credible if you provided the ACTUAL information which supports it. You are still hiding details to your offer.
When people buy computers on here, people ask for specs. All you have done is shown a text based flash design. I could make one of those in a minute for like $10. It's not that hard.
So, besides the crappy flash thing you have, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE that's more than $100? (Don't worry mods, I probably won't comment any further. Just seeing what this guy really has, and it's obvious if he can't put up this time, we should both shut up). |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of attacking my comments, it would make your offer more credible if you provided the ACTUAL information which supports it. You are still hiding details to your offer. |
I posted "website for sale" and you went after me. I witheld nothing. I am selling a website (again)
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So, besides the crappy flash thing you have, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE that that's more that 100 bucks? |
Well like I have already stated - in the first post. This is a database driven site. Which means that it uses MySQL and php. This is not an html site. This is a CMS site. There are three separate databases running this site and it has the ability to read and write on the fly. I also stated it has an admin panel which allows the owner to simply log on and delete and add information from the site itself - without having any programming knowledge. It is also protected in this manner also through an admin login. It also has a subscription based newsletter (which I also stated in the first post)
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All you have done is shown a text based flash design. I could make one of those in a minute for like $10. It's not that hard. |
Well actually it's not a text based flash design. Text based means that it based on text - the site is GUI - Graphic User Interface. Also, only the header is done in Flash - and Dude if you can make a header like that for $10 I'll hire you to make 50 of them for me right now. The going rate for most designers out there is about $40 - $45 an hour - you'd be saving me a lot of money. |
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jadarite

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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None of what you mentioned adds up to more than 100 dollars.
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The going rate for most designers out there is about $40 - $45 an hour - you'd be saving me a lot of money. |
This tells us two things about you. One, you are not just selling a one off site, but you have several lined up you are trying to market (or will be). You should be paying Dave's advertising costs if you are making posts for business.
Second, it shows us you would rather pocket any money "saved" than give it back to the customer.
If someone sees something more in your site than at a place like http://www.dotservant.com/ let them dish out the 800 dollars you are asking for. Good luck. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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jadarite wrote: |
None of what you mentioned adds up to more than 100 dollars. |
Sorry you're wrong. period. You would be hard pressed to find a coder to do this work for under a grand.
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This tells us two things about you. One, you are not just selling a one off site, but you have several lined up you are trying to market (or will be). You should be paying Dave's advertising costs if you are making posts for business. |
No this doesn't tell us that - it should tell you that you're talking to a person who knows web design. I have several sites up right now and I am a computer science teacher. If I were to market a website do you honestly think I'd be selling a recruiting site in today's market?
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Second, it shows us you would rather pocket any money "saved" than give it back to the customer. |
Huh? I'm selling my website - yes I will pocket the money I make from the sale.
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If someone sees something more in your site than at a place like http://www.dotservant.com/ let them dish out the 800 dollars you are asking for. Good luck |
That site you gave was a host. They HOST your site. You still need to purchase the site itself. I think you're a little confused. When you go live with a website you have to pay for three things. 1. The website (a designer will make this or you can try it yourself) 2. the host - a place to store the site (the example you have was $6.00 a month - mine was $6.00 a year) 3. The domain registration ($10 a year usually).
...but seeing as you can knock out complex flash headers in a matter of minutes for only $10.. you know all of this already  |
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jadarite

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dude if you can make a header like that for $10 I'll hire you to make 50 of them for me right now. The going rate for most designers out there is about $40 - $45 an hour - you'd be saving me a lot of money. |
How would you save money? If you are the one selling the site, then you aren't the buyer. The only way to figure in you saving money is if you hired someone to design something for one of your customers. The customer would pay you for the service of designing something. If the cost in this example is 30-35 dollars less, then who keeps the 30-35 dollars in savings?
The only way for you to get that money is if you charge your customer the full price and pay less for getting it designed. Then you would be saving money. Face it, I caught you in a little bind and now you are squirming your way out.
How will you rationalize the savings otherwise? |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I know PHP and SQL. They're pretty cool. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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How would you save money? If you are the one selling the site, then you aren't the buyer. The only way to figure in you saving money is if you hired someone to design something for one of your customers. The customer would pay you for the service of designing something. If the cost in this example is 30-35 dollars less, then who keeps the 30-35 dollars in savings?
The only way for you to get that money is if you charge your customer the full price and pay less for getting it designed. Then you would be saving money. Face it, I caught you in a little bind and now you are squirming your way out. |
Squirming my way out....Ha! Ha! you are too much - You must be a comedian. I'd hire you for OTHER sites at $10.00 a header (gladly!!!). You said you could knock them out in a few minutes right? Would you like to see the kind of work I do? Goto http://martialartstournaments.ca/ and click on Web Design at the top. On the right side you'll see thumbnails of 4 sites I have made - there are more but I didn't include them (the cottage one is under construction). I have a contract for a lure company right now that could use one of your amazing headers.
You understand the three steps in going live with a site now - right? Where the costs are? Remember you NEVER create a site (header) for the Hell of it and then try to sell it. That would be a waste of about 80 hours of your life. You need to make sure you are hired first - THEN start on a job (even a header, or an ad, or a CMS site) - you may not get paid until it is finished but you have control over the site.
But you are catching on - the scenario you described above is called sub contracting. I'm sure you're familiar with how that works in the world of housing - the same is true in the world of I.T. design. In fact, India and Pakistan are the new "goto's" in the world of I.T. subcontracting. I've never sub'd anything out (yet) but I know a lot of designers and programmers who do.
Like I said, I don't have the time to keep contacting the schools in Taegu and keeping up with the potential teachers. My family takes up a lot of time and I can make more money designing in .asp and .php than running my recruiting business - so I fold the business, sell the site and focus on other projects.
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jadarite

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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So, you are running a business and soliciting through these boards for free. Case closed. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Man... you're just grasping at straws now. Soliciting for business? Uh no... did you read the last line:
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- so I fold the business, sell the site and focus on other projects. |
I'm not looking for clients; I'm not looking to advertise; have I tried to pitch a web design service package to anyone - no. I'm not competing with Dave. In fact, Dave and I both posted our sites around the same time. Mine was called "Doug's Korean Konnection" and he used some of my copy, and I his.
Now, my recruiting site is for sale and it's a Teaching in Korea site. So I log on to the teaching in Korea forum I've belonged to and I post it. (you haven't figured this out yet?) - I'm not stepping on anyone's toes.
So how about it? You know a lot about flash and design work - you can apparently do this type of work in minutes... and if you can produce a CMS site for $100 like you claim - well, damn... I'll hire you to do 3 of them right now!!
(ya... I didn't think so) |
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sargx

Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'll do you 3 CMS sites for $100 each. Seriously.
Put your money where your mouth is. |
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superdave

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: over there ----->
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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what witty banter!
i can see why some of your links aren't working. when clicking on 'Jobs Available' (which is misspelled, btw) you're taken to a subdirectory /jobs/ but clicking the menu links no longer work because they're not directing properly to the root folder. you need to move jobs out of the subdirectory into the root folder to allow your menu to work properly.
this error only appears on jobs ... not on the other menu options.
i don't like most of your stock images. for me, they don't have a friendly feeling. it's a minor point, but having a foreign teacher with the kids in the first shot, and smiling kids (with arms raised) in the second shot, would make for a positive message ... although, like i mentioned, they're just stock photos, so they're easily changed.
the big downside is that this recruiting site doesn't seem to have its own domain name. you're running it off the back of your hosting site name. so it's actually a sub-domain. having a unique domain name to sell with the site increases its value significantly ... as an IT teacher, you'd know that.
however the template is good (clean and easy to navigate) for someone interested in starting their own recruiting business.
the second positive point is that there's a lot of useful information provided in the faqs and legalities sections. it's a helpful start for possible recruits who are interested in reading more and learning about the way things are done here.
without a domain, i think the price tag might be a tad steep. i'm basing my opinion on a few things, but most importantly is value.
let's go back to the car analogy: a car's value might be $1000. repairs and such don't increase the value of the car, they just prevent depreciation. so putting a lot of work into the site doesn't always increase its value either. just because you have 3 databases, doesn't mean anything in terms of value.
for example, smf is an auto install forum which virtually anyone could install with little web knowledge. although, i think you should try and integrate your smf theme a little more closely with your website's colours.
secondly, and most importantly, if a car is valued to you at $1000, but nobody is prepared to pay $1000, then the car isn't actually worth $1000. my point is that the time to build a site, code some pages, design headers, etc may have been worth X amount of money in time and skill, but it's not worth anything if there's no market or buyer.
i'm not saying your site's worth nothing ... i'm just saying that you may need to re-evaluate your site's value if there's no interest in purchasing it.
IMO, $850 is steep ... not unreasonable, just steep. someone interested in recruiting could get a similar project going with a joomla cms running out of the box for free. smf is free ... the only cost would be the domain and hosting.
finally, $14 a year for hosting is pretty good ... add another $7 a year for a domain and it's a $20 a year investment.
i can't see you getting much interest here ... but nonetheless, good luck with your sale.
cheers
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input super dave.
Sargex - sounds good!! PM me and I'll send you the admin log on to see what the requirements of the sites will look like.
You'll have to set up the databases, password protect the php scripts with secondary files, create an admin section (no phpmyadmin) to access the databases, create the scripts to pull from the MySQL databases as well as delete from said databases; create the php forwarding script for the e-mail as well as the Newsletter listing pages.
All that for $100! Cool. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: Yeap |
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hagwonnewbie wrote: |
I can't imagine that the business of recruiting is looking good now. Big academies are buying up small ones, and they seem to recruit for themselves. Salaries are way down with the low won. More and more recruiters are on the scene increasing competition.
I wouldn't blame someone for getting out of the business. |
Couldn't agree more. Buying this website has a "Here, take my problem off my hands" feel to it. Someone is quitting something here. That immediately sets up a red flag. Be it a job or some business like this, I shy away from things people have run from. I don't go into burning theaters.
If you told me a death in the family compels you to make this move, I could understand it, OP. But HogwonNewbie called it dead on. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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This is the oddest board I've ever been on. On most boards / forums if someone posts something for sale or they offer a service (or anything).... people will read it and say to themselves "no, I'm not interested in that" and then move on to the next posting.
No.... not here. People here simply attack. I said I was selling a website numerous times and people attacked via franchise opportunities (?) ... talked about where profits go..? weird. I have to defend myself for an innocuous e-mail. If I made a claim I could not follow up on (like a couple people in this thread) I'd understand. I am not making any claims to anything.
Best of luck
P.S. - SargeX I'm still waiting for that PM (I didn't think you were legit).
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