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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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The people spoke......
Obama for President
No to gay marriage
What's the problem? |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
| isn't it ironic how people who are (presumably) against discrimination and stereotyping are so quick to resort to scapegoating when things don't go their way? |
Funny isn't it! Now the public hissy fits and histrionics start by the sodomites because even PC braindead CA doesn't see fit to acknowledge their "marriages." Now everyone is homophobes, haters, bigots, etc... What a bunch of mentally diseased crybabies!  |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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The Mormons?
Nah, significantly more African-Americans an Latinos in California than Mormons...and many of them went out to vote for Obama, and probably ticked the Proposition 8 box against gay marriage in the process. |
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DoubleRS
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| According the IRS Tax code, proof of such a thing could revoke tax-exempt status. |
I don't believe you're correct on that. It's candidates, not issues, that tax-exempt outfits are prohibited from supporting. |
I am right. Check this out
http://lds501c3.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/how-to-file-an-irs-501c3-complaint/ |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
I think that this pretty much proves that "massive rallies" don't equate with overall voter opinion. It's pretty much a given that every gay person who had a ballot to vote on voted to keep their rights.
They lost.
So that means every single person protesting probably had their say and lost, because a lot more people said, "NO."
Don't blame the mormons.
There simply aren't enough people that agree with you. It doesn't mean they are anti-gay. It doesn't mean they are racist of bad. It doesn't mean that they hate gays.
They just don't agree with you. |
Wow...a voice of reason. Go to the current events forum and post this under the "No Gay Day" and see what happens. Those militant gay backers will label you bigot, homophobe, etc. in a heartbeat. In their little world its: Yes for gays=reasonable person...No for gays and yes for democracy=hater, bigot, etc. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Quack Addict wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
I think that this pretty much proves that "massive rallies" don't equate with overall voter opinion. It's pretty much a given that every gay person who had a ballot to vote on voted to keep their rights.
They lost.
So that means every single person protesting probably had their say and lost, because a lot more people said, "NO."
Don't blame the mormons.
There simply aren't enough people that agree with you. It doesn't mean they are anti-gay. It doesn't mean they are racist of bad. It doesn't mean that they hate gays.
They just don't agree with you. |
Wow...a voice of reason. Go to the current events forum and post this under the "No Gay Day" and see what happens. Those militant gay backers will label you bigot, homophobe, etc. in a heartbeat. In their little world its: Yes for gays=reasonable person...No for gays and yes for democracy=hater, bigot, etc. |
Militant gay backers? How far we've come. And I remember only recently if you were openly gay, there were all sorts of nuts who'd attack you. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
The people spoke......
Obama for President
No to gay marriage
What's the problem? |
It's funny how a majority is allowed to make decisions for a minority that doesn't affect them. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a hit piece. Would you care to provide links to the actual legislation or is that too much of a bother? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
I agree with this reasoning. I would vote yes of prop 8 exactly for this reason. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
The people spoke......
Obama for President
No to gay marriage
What's the problem? |
It's funny how a majority is allowed to make decisions for a minority that doesn't affect them. |
Funny? Seems to me to be how the whole political process works. In the future lets enact all the legislation and elect all the candidates that lose. Then the minorities will have their voices heard. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| prop 8 backers or not, there's still just one too many letter 'm's in the word mor(m)on. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
Prop 8 was passed because of a religious block vote, funded by the Mormon cult and consolidated by other churches/cults. The black vote turnout is what passed it (a demographic heavily influenced by churches/cults).
Marriage has been constantly redefined by heterosexuals like me, therefore there is no reasonable legal argument to protect the 'sanctity' of marriage as there demonstrably has been no 'sanctity'; it's been constantly buggered with (bad choice of words there!) by heterosexuals (polygamy, divorce etc. etc.) Abraham was a polygamist! Mormons are/wish they could be polygamists. The divorce/remarriage rate in California is one of the worst in the world!
Whatever happened to the separation of church and state? For some time now marriage has legally been considered a perfectly acceptable secular activity; thus everyone should have access to this legal status (which, let's face it, is all that marriage ultimately is.)
If you are to argue that the mob doesn't agree, therefore it's right, then you are on shaky ground. American democracy is designed at its very core, to be able to surpass the will of the mob. Government, essentially, is an exercise in controlling the rabid mob.
I like to be able to do the same shit as everyone else; I expect that gays feel the same way. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Well spotted. Looks like the cult are going to have some financial problems! |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
I agree with this reasoning. I would vote yes of prop 8 exactly for this reason. |
Also, I totally agree that all books showing any gay parents or friends should be banned, right along with any that show women in the workplace (seriously, women, with intelligence?, not washing my floor...) and interracial friendships or parents. |
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