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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: SMOE contract hoop jumping |
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Anyone else here re-applying for next year for SMOE ?
Just wanted to say, it is wonderful how they give you less than 1 week to have a 2nd open class.
Now, I have a question. Why were we told 1 open class per year?
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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The observation class is a formality and a joke.
My old co-teachers freaked out about this and said "You'd better have a good lesson plan prepared!"
I said, "I'm doing the same lesson plan I've been doing all week. I'm confident that my regular classes are at or above standards. They want to see my real teaching style, right?" I also repeated this to the district observers. |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE contract hoop jumping |
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| Seoul'n'Corea wrote: |
Anyone else here re-applying for next year for SMOE ?
Just wanted to say, it is wonderful how they give you less than 1 week to have a 2nd open class.
Now, I have a question. Why were we told 1 open class per year?
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I have 5 open classes in one week. One for 3,4,& 6th grade. I also teach 2 classes afterschool alone and I have to do open classes for those classes too. What a pain. For my regular classes, I am not planning anything because my coteachers in those grades never let me do anything anyway.
I just plan for my afterschool classes, and it's not going to be a dog and pony show. It'll be like class every other day. |
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Socks
Joined: 15 May 2008
Location: somewhere in here...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well.. these problems will cease to exist at the end of 2009..
From beginning of 2010 - SMOE and GEPIK will no longer be placing foreign teachers into Public schools...
They have realised that a foreign teacher in a classroom trying to teach 33 kids just doesn't work...
and only Korean English teachers will be doing the jobs...
It was SMOE and GEPIK's own fault - they wanted to employ cheap foreign teachers who did not have much experience... (and rejected many VETERAN foreign teachers who had plenty of experience) to save money - and look what happened? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: |
Well.. these problems will cease to exist at the end of 2009..
From beginning of 2010 - SMOE and GEPIK will no longer be placing foreign teachers into Public schools...
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A little bit of evidence for this would be appreciated. |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: |
| It was SMOE and GEPIK's own fault - they wanted to employ cheap foreign teachers who did not have much experience... (and rejected many VETERAN foreign teachers who had plenty of experience) to save money - and look what happened? |
And what happened exactly? Some guy came on ESL Cafe and complained mildly about having a bunch of open classes in quick succession? Also where the hell are you getting the idea that it doesn't work? It doesn't work if you suck, maybe. I find it fine. Anyway, that's the first I've heard about them ceasing placements. And it sounds... improbable. the SMOE summer intake was significantly up on the one 6 months earlier - about 250% if what I heard is right. That's hardly the actions of an organization about to bail out of a plan. You may be confusing it with the GEPIK program to get undergrads into school. Not sure if that's continuing or not. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: |
Well.. these problems will cease to exist at the end of 2009..
From beginning of 2010 - SMOE and GEPIK will no longer be placing foreign teachers into Public schools...
They have realised that a foreign teacher in a classroom trying to teach 33 kids just doesn't work...
and only Korean English teachers will be doing the jobs...
It was SMOE and GEPIK's own fault - they wanted to employ cheap foreign teachers who did not have much experience... (and rejected many VETERAN foreign teachers who had plenty of experience) to save money - and look what happened? |
This was posted in another current thread, here's my reply from that thread:
I've heard this rumor before, but its only a rumor. Top SMOE officials say its completely untrue. Look at SMOE's recent hiring rates. In no way does that point to a phasing out of foreign teachers. Look at 2MB's English education policies, especially the part about reducing the reliance on hogwans. The shot callers know Koreans are unfit to teach all parts of English, specifically pronunciation and real-world usage with westerners.
I agree that many qualified applicants are denied jobs, but I'd place that blame on Korean immigrations short-sighted policies and lack of understanding of foreign legal systems and logistics.
I can also see SMOE's stated polices driving veteran teachers away from SMOE. I'm talking about the lack of placement preference, lottery on housing placement, stale pay system vs. hogwans' rising salaries, mishandling of problems and lack of communication from the head office. |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: |
Well.. these problems will cease to exist at the end of 2009..
From beginning of 2010 - SMOE and GEPIK will no longer be placing foreign teachers into Public schools...
They have realised that a foreign teacher in a classroom trying to teach 33 kids just doesn't work...
and only Korean English teachers will be doing the jobs...
It was SMOE and GEPIK's own fault - they wanted to employ cheap foreign teachers who did not have much experience... (and rejected many VETERAN foreign teachers who had plenty of experience) to save money - and look what happened? |
What a crock - they have not and do not employ the less experienced teachers. Crapwons do so they can run all over them as they don't know any better.
There are many teachers in the SMOE program who have an education degree from their home countries and a number of teachers who are doing their Masters Degree (TESOL; Education) while working for SMOE.
Also, you will find more mature (age) teachers working in SMOE than you would with Crapwons.
So your whole point is BOLLUCKS  |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ha! Link, he says.
I don't even work for smoe and I can tell you this is the truth. I went to a seminar for camps last year and they said they were going to do this. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Ha! Link, he says.
I don't even work for smoe and I can tell you this is the truth. I went to a seminar for camps last year and they said they were going to do this. |
Like I said, it's a rumor. It is often repeated by gossipy co-teachers, but it was denounced by head SMOE officials, from the horse's mouth. |
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Jubalum
Joined: 15 Jun 2008
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It seems hard to believe that SMOE is going to scrap the program, especially considering that the budget has recently been doubled. Also, it seems that parents are demanding more native speakers in the classroom.
Of course, this is Korea, so.....
http://211.234.100.245/www/news/nation/2008/09/113_18891.html
Parents Want More Native English Teachers
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Parents in Seoul are demanding more native English-speaking teachers for their children at schools. According to the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education (SMOE), more and more ward offices in Seoul have allotted money to recruit foreign teachers because of the growing demand from parents in each district.
Last year, some 5.24 billion won was collected from four ward offices and the Seoul Metropolitan Government to employ native English teachers at schools in the capital.
The education authority expects the amount of money will double this year to 10 billion won.
``Many ward office chiefs vowed to increase the number of native-speaking teachers in their election campaigns. To that extent, they are increasing the necessary funds,�� said Choi Chun-ok, a supervisor in charge of recruiting foreign English teachers at the office.
As the ward offices do not have staff to select qualified foreign teachers, except Gangnam-gu, they are leaving recruitment to the SMOE, she added.
More than five ward offices plan to make an agreement with SMOE on Thursday and Friday this week for the employment of foreign teachers in their districts.
Jongno-Gu Office has reserved 750 million won for the project; Nowon-Gu, 520 million won; Dobong-Gu, 400 billion won; Jungnang-Gu, 300 million won; and Gwanak-Gu 200 million won.
Under the agreement, 31 elementary and 15 secondary schools will have foreign English teachers from the spring semester.
SMOE has recruited native English-speaking teachers for schools since September 2005 to teach at 572 elementary and 665 secondary schools.
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