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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: What Hagwons could learn from the Aussie Navy |
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/18/2422475.htm?section=justin
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Navy to shut down over Christmas
Posted 8 minutes ago
Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon says a two-month Navy shutdown over Christmas has been ordered to give staff a rest as the Navy continues to grapple with staff shortages.
The shutdown will involve all ships not on operational duties and some staff will be allowed to work from home.
Mr Fitzgibbon says the Government is working to address staff shortages in the Navy.
"We're doing a lot of work trying to find new and innovative ways both to retain skilled people and recruit new people and this is an interim initiative designed to just give some rest and respite to people in Navy where we have our biggest challenge," he told Lyndal Curtis on AM.
"These people have been facing an extended period of operational tempo and it's just a way of saying thank you and encouraging them to stay in the service rather than leave."
He has also not ruled out further Christmas shutdowns in the future.
"There's no reason why we can't have a longer stand down period each Christmas and we're looking at all sorts of ways of encouraging people to stay," he said.
Mr Fitzgibbon says a review is under way into family work balance in the Navy.
"By the first part of next year we should be in a position to place some new initiatives to help us better retain those people and indeed recoup more people to the services more generally," he said. |
Wow what an original idea, its hard to get staff so you make life easier for existing staff. Although not as severe as mid year there is still a skilled teacher shortage here and some longterm teachers leave rather than face another year of not having a proper vacation and not being granted a sick day.
Good teachers could be retained and better teachers encouraged to come here if only Hagwons would spend time to think of new ways to make life easier. Maybe teachers could work 40 hours a week (for more money of course) if they had access to vacations and were allowed to get sick. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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You don't understand Korean culture.
Oh, by the way, report cards are due tomorrow, and I won't be in today, so you'll have to cover my classes. oh, and Jenny eleven's mother complained, so you'll have to apologize to her for making her stay 5 minutes after class. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Rental fees and taxes never shut down or take a break. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| It should be a good time to smuggle illegal immigrants into Australia. |
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seosan08
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Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| They can learn to sail upside down?!? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Rental fees and taxes never shut down or take a break. |
That is true all over the world. In North America, they don't give you tons of unpaid holidays off, either, but you definitely get your national holidays, and if you work on a national holiday they pay you time and a half. They don't bother doing that in Korea. At the hagwons, they don't care if they don't retain their teachers in some ways, except that it means they may have to pay money again to a recruiter. Give a foreign teacher a few more days off here and there spread out over the year would be cheaper than the recruiting fee, I would think.
What do you think? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Rental fees and taxes never shut down or take a break. |
That is true all over the world. In North America, they don't give you tons of unpaid holidays off, either, but you definitely get your national holidays, and if you work on a national holiday they pay you time and a half. They don't bother doing that in Korea. At the hagwons, they don't care if they don't retain their teachers in some ways, except that it means they may have to pay money again to a recruiter. Give a foreign teacher a few more days off here and there spread out over the year would be cheaper than the recruiting fee, I would think.
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You are being far too logical. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It should be a good time to smuggle illegal immigrants into Australia. |
We got proactive and head them off in Indonesia now. That's what my wife is working on in Jakarta at the moment. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Rental fees and taxes never shut down or take a break. |
That is true all over the world. In North America, they don't give you tons of unpaid holidays off, either, but you definitely get your national holidays, and if you work on a national holiday they pay you time and a half. They don't bother doing that in Korea. At the hagwons, they don't care if they don't retain their teachers in some ways, except that it means they may have to pay money again to a recruiter. Give a foreign teacher a few more days off here and there spread out over the year would be cheaper than the recruiting fee, I would think.
What do you think? |
You are being far too logical. |
Logic should work fine, Koreans have the highest IQs in the world, don't they? It is more expensive to have to higher a new foreigner and they can lose students if the students like that teacher. A friend of mine is a head teacher and his boss treats him like gold, so he stays and his happy. He even lives in a house, and he is kind of a member of the family. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Logic should work fine, Koreans have the highest IQs in the world, don't they? It is more expensive to have to higher a new foreigner and they can lose students if the students like that teacher. A friend of mine is a head teacher and his boss treats him like gold, so he stays and his happy. He even lives in a house, and he is kind of a member of the family. |
Another "teacher" of English, eh? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Logic should work fine, Koreans have the highest IQs in the world, don't they? It is more expensive to have to higher a new foreigner and they can lose students if the students like that teacher. A friend of mine is a head teacher and his boss treats him like gold, so he stays and his happy. He even lives in a house, and he is kind of a member of the family. |
Another "teacher" of English, eh? |
No, I didn't proof-read. You caught me on that one. I don't understand how I would make such errors, but I am not God. I know how to use the word hire appropriately. Yet, I am not infallible. I do err. As the saying goes, "To err is human, to forgive divine." I think it's not uncommon to make sure errors when you are far from your abode and using elementary English with your students sans cesse. Cela va sans rien dire, mon ami. |
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Ukon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The Navy gets a break? Me too this December! 3 weeks off! |
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juicyhumdinger
Joined: 03 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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You don't understand Korean culture.
Oh, by the way, report cards are due tomorrow, and I won't be in today, so you'll have to cover my classes. oh, and Jenny eleven's mother complained, so you'll have to apologize to her for making her stay 5 minutes after class. |
Classic. |
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Koreans don't understand that a happy, well-rested worker is an efficient worker. For example, my boss has recently been giving me a ton of extra work. Not work that needs to be done. He just likes making me write teaching manuals and other shite like that. I figured I get it done quickly rather than nibble away it at. But, as soon as it's done, he gives me another task with and even stricer deadline, as he know I can do it.
What do I do now? I procrastinate. I make excuses. If the deadline is Wednesday, I tell him on Wednesday that I haven't had time, and that it'll be done on Friday. On Friday, I tell him taht I had to make some changes, and that it'll be done by Monday.
The result? Less work. If he gave me jobs that actually makes sense, they'd get done. But it's all filler. It's all bullshite aimed at keeping me busy til my last fecking day. |
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Davew125
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Rental fees and taxes never shut down or take a break. |
That is true all over the world. In North America, they don't give you tons of unpaid holidays off, either, but you definitely get your national holidays, and if you work on a national holiday they pay you time and a half. They don't bother doing that in Korea. At the hagwons, they don't care if they don't retain their teachers in some ways, except that it means they may have to pay money again to a recruiter. Give a foreign teacher a few more days off here and there spread out over the year would be cheaper than the recruiting fee, I would think.
What do you think? |
You are being far too logical. |
Korea, where logic comes to die! My boss offered me a tiny pay rise to resign. i tried negotiating an extra 100000 a month. She refused despite the fact that to pay a recruiter for a new teacher will cost about the same as the extra money over the year. It's equivalent to paying just 200000 for retaining an experienced teacher ( and his girlfriend ) , that the kids and the parents both like. Unfortunately she wont even attempt to see it this way. |
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