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irony/hypocracy re: Koreas recent anti-US protectionism

 
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legalquestions



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: irony/hypocracy re: Koreas recent anti-US protectionism Reply with quote

Obama has announced that the USA is going stop allowing the Korean car companies from taking advantage of the current Korea/US auto trade defecit. Of course, this has the Korean car companies, politicians and labor unions up in arms.

Suddenly they are all spouting off as to how the US should not espouse these pro US "protectionist" policies. But isn't all of this rhetoric just a little bit ironic/hypocritical? Especially considering that it is coming from South Korea, possibly the worlds most protectionist country?

Is it just me, or did anyone else pick up on this?
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Gatsby



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I don't think it is clear an Obama administration is going to impose higher tariffs on the importation of Korean cars. I've seen mixed signals on this. Do you have sources for your statements?

It would make sense to do this, for a variety of reasons. The foremost is that Korea did not approve the FTA, and violated the letter and spirit of it while it was in limbo by blocking the importation of American beef on scientifically unsound and intellectually dishonest grounds, and then demanding the rules be changed, frivolously.

The other key reason is that Koreans are selling cars cheaper in the U.S. than in Korea, while setting up obstacles to the sale of U.S. cars in Korea, as well as many other American products. However, it would require a detailed analysis to determine whether this legally constitutes "dumping."

But, the answer your question, yes. This talk about protectionism in the Korean press is the very height of hypocrisy. They are the ones doing both the protecting of their own market while laying waste to the American economy. All while the U.S. worked for decades to help Koreans build a sound economy.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a 'hypocracy'? Is it a hypocritic democracy? Confused
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asylum seeker wrote:
What is a 'hypocracy'? Is it a hypocritic democracy? Confused


What does it mean to be 'hypocritic'? Perhaps you mean a 'hypocritical democracy'? Or a democratic 'hypocritzer'?

btw OP, do a search; you'll find several threads on this topic.
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legalquestions



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is that it really rubes me the wrong way to see the Koreans suddenly criticizing the Obama administration for his perceived protectionist trade policies, when they (the Koreans) have perhaps the most protectionist policies in the world.

They can't have it both ways, that's my point.
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legalquestions



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is that it really rubes me the wrong way to see the Koreans suddenly criticizing the Obama administration for his perceived protectionist trade policies, when they (the Koreans) have perhaps the most protectionist policies in the world.

They can't have it both ways, that's my point.
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legalquestions



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is that it really rubes me the wrong way to see the Koreans suddenly criticizing the Obama administration for his perceived protectionist trade policies, when they (the Koreans) have perhaps the most protectionist policies in the world.

They can't have it both ways, that's my point.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may have among the most protectionist regime in the developed world, but nothing touches sub-Saharan Africa.

But the Koreans should try and hold back the 'han' on this one. They're due for some fair-trade with the Americans.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing fair about the KORUS/FTA.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.
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asylum seeker



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbop wrote:
asylum seeker wrote:
What is a 'hypocracy'? Is it a hypocritic democracy? Confused


What does it mean to be 'hypocritic'? Perhaps you mean a 'hypocritical democracy'? Or a democratic 'hypocritzer'?

btw OP, do a search; you'll find several threads on this topic.


Doh!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: irony/hypocracy re: Koreas recent anti-US protectionism Reply with quote

legalquestions wrote:
Obama has announced that the USA is going stop allowing the Korean car companies from taking advantage of the current Korea/US auto trade defecit. Of course, this has the Korean car companies, politicians and labor unions up in arms.

Suddenly they are all spouting off as to how the US should not espouse these pro US "protectionist" policies. But isn't all of this rhetoric just a little bit ironic/hypocritical? Especially considering that it is coming from South Korea, possibly the worlds most protectionist country?

Is it just me, or did anyone else pick up on this?


I agree that it is hypocritical. One thing to keep in mind is that most of the Korean lawmakers/politicians who are against the "US protectionist policies" probably know how ridiculous it is to complain about this. However, it is their job to protect Korea's interests, and in order to do so they will say/do whatever they think has the greatest chance of getting them what they want. Note that I am not condoning their actions, just explaining them.

The average Korean person may not pick up that they are being hypocritical, but the lawmakers surely must know.
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Rum Jungle



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: irony/hypocracy re: Koreas recent anti-US protectionism Reply with quote

tatertot wrote:
legalquestions wrote:
Obama has announced that the USA is going stop allowing the Korean car companies from taking advantage of the current Korea/US auto trade defecit. Of course, this has the Korean car companies, politicians and labor unions up in arms.

Suddenly they are all spouting off as to how the US should not espouse these pro US "protectionist" policies. But isn't all of this rhetoric just a little bit ironic/hypocritical? Especially considering that it is coming from South Korea, possibly the worlds most protectionist country?

Is it just me, or did anyone else pick up on this?


I agree that it is hypocritical. One thing to keep in mind is that most of the Korean lawmakers/politicians who are against the "US protectionist policies" probably know how ridiculous it is to complain about this. However, it is their job to protect Korea's interests, and in order to do so they will say/do whatever they think has the greatest chance of getting them what they want. Note that I am not condoning their actions, just explaining them.

The average Korean person may not pick up that they are being hypocritical, but the lawmakers surely must know.


True. But it shows what an unsophisticated political discourse there is in Korea that no one says, "STFU". "Let's get this thing passed".

40 plus years of protectionism of the economy leads to this nonsense.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: irony/hypocracy re: Koreas recent anti-US protectionism Reply with quote

legalquestions wrote:

But isn't all of this rhetoric just a little bit ironic/hypocritical? Especially considering that it is coming from South Korea, possibly the worlds most protectionist country?


Protectionism is good for Korea and Korea has reaped the benefits of protectionism for decades.

America is protectionist as well. There are nations in Africa that could export agricultural products to the US for much cheaper than what farmers in America are producing domestically, but the US government has protectionist policies that control prices of the agricultual products in the US for the benfit of US farmers. Meanwhile, these African nations maintain levels of poverty for a majority of their populations because america wants to have welfare for American farmers who are getting rich from the American government's willingness to "Buy American". Laughing

NAFTA was done because it benefitted America back in the 90's. We wouldn't have done NAFTA if wasn't advantageous to us.

Nations do what they think is best for their own countries, their own businesses, and their own people. It's as simple as that.
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