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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
One misguided kindergarten teacher does not make a "stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempt" at subverting America's youth. Putting spin on a foxnews article, pretty sneaky tactics, Bass. |
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Asisde from "cult" influence and such. Homosexuality is still strong taboo amongst African American communities as it generally is among high school atheletes, and a majority of citizens as evidenced by the recent votes in three states. It is interesting that Christians are always labeled in this fringe, minority cult status with outmoded and insignificant, unpopular opinions but then when things are put to a popular vote, the advocates of leftist culture bitch about themselves being the tortured minoirity. Which is it? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Asisde from "cult" influence and such. Homosexuality is still strong taboo amongst African American communities as it generally is among high school atheletes, and a majority of citizens as evidenced by the recent votes in three states. It is interesting that Christians are always labeled in this fringe, minority cult status with outmoded and insignificant, unpopular opinions but then when things are put to a popular vote, the advocates of leftist culture bitch about themselves being the tortured minoirity. Which is it? |
As long as America stays America and how it was founded, gay marriage is a certainty. It's only a matter of time. Now if America goes the way of a theorcracy, like Iran, then that might not happen. |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Asisde from "cult" influence and such. Homosexuality is still strong taboo amongst African American communities as it generally is among high school atheletes, and a majority of citizens as evidenced by the recent votes in three states. It is interesting that Christians are always labeled in this fringe, minority cult status with outmoded and insignificant, unpopular opinions but then when things are put to a popular vote, the advocates of leftist culture bitch about themselves being the tortured minoirity. Which is it? |
Whether the majority supports homosexual marriages or not isn't pertinent. It is wrong to deny our fellow human beings rights that everybody else enjoys because of a communal prejudice. We know that stoning women to death in Muslim countries is wrong and we condemn female circumcision. Why? Because humans have inalienable rights. Another inalienable right is to love and marry anyone we wish. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, it's a huge defeat for homosexuals. It is my belief that this has little to do with mormons. I believe that a number of people feel threatened by stealthy/secretive kindergarten and elementary school attempts to influence future generations to be more tolerant of homosexuality. By that, I mean sneaky tactics to teach children pro-homosexual material in the classroom. This has really upset a lot of people -- and not just the religious right.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
In my view, there were a lot of people who voted to allow gay marriage in the past, who changed their vote this time around. They were content with respecting what a gay person did with their own private lives. But as soon as the gay political machine began trying to change school policies in sneaky/secret ways, a lot of people took a step back and saw the bigger picture. They changed their vote. |
I agree with this reasoning. I would vote yes of prop 8 exactly for this reason. |
Also, I totally agree that all books showing any gay parents or friends should be banned, right along with any that show women in the workplace (seriously, women, with intelligence?, not washing my floor...) and interracial friendships or parents. |
This isn't a race issue. This isn't a gender issue.
It's a gay issue. Let's make it what it is or are you afraid of that? |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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This isn't a race issue. This isn't a gender issue.
It's a gay issue. Let's make it what it is or are you afraid of that? |
It's not a 'gay issue'. It's a minority rights issue. |
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Jandar
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If the Government is licensing the behavior it should be equal.
My point is that the government should not be licensing that right, that right being the human right to free association.
As far as I can tell I have the right to engage in whatever relationship I wish with any other individual on this planet by mutual agreement. Just because a partnership involves sex shouldn't make that right any different.
My point is that government should not have the power to license a sexual partnership. Next thing you know they'll make some sex acts illegal.
If you want some kind of "sacred bond" go see some kind of sacred counselor, I mean do we let government regulate baptism?
Marriage is an act of faith, any and all of the legal trapping should be determined through contract law, there need be no special laws for married people or unjust advantages.
I think these arguments should be brought before the Supremes and it is my hope that the supremes will find that marriage has no place in the laws of these governments.
I guess maybe what I am saying is that licensing marriage is anti-constitutional.
That include any preference to marital status in law.
Repeal all marriage laws. |
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
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| Asisde from "cult" influence and such. Homosexuality is still strong taboo amongst African American communities as it generally is among high school atheletes, and a majority of citizens as evidenced by the recent votes in three states. It is interesting that Christians are always labeled in this fringe, minority cult status with outmoded and insignificant, unpopular opinions but then when things are put to a popular vote, the advocates of leftist culture bitch about themselves being the tortured minoirity. Which is it? |
Whether the majority supports homosexual marriages or not isn't pertinent. It is wrong to deny our fellow human beings rights that everybody else enjoys because of a communal prejudice. We know that stoning women to death in Muslim countries is wrong and we condemn female circumcision. Why? Because humans have inalienable rights. Another inalienable right is to love and marry anyone we wish. |
Stoning anyone is wrong. Women however cannot change the fact they are women. A woman can walk up to you and say she is a man but once you take a good look at the boobs and hips, nope she's a gal.
However I can say I am a homosexual and there's no proof otherwise. Because what makes someone a homosexual is the act of homosexuality. Or in this case just saying that you are a homosexual. I can say I am a woman or even a woman trapped in a man's body but that still does not negate the fact that there are consequences if I try to gain access into a woman's bathroom. This isn't about individual's rights or the desire to marry as much as it is the gay/lesbs' pathological desire to be accepted. According to the recent votes it doesn't seem that society is willing to go that far yet. More people still believe marriage is best left between a man and a woman. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
This isn't a race issue. This isn't a gender issue.
It's a gay issue. Let's make it what it is or are you afraid of that? |
It's not a 'gay issue'. It's a minority rights issue. |
Furtherrmore, this is what sunk them with the black vote. Most blacks resent having their struggles compared to the plight of gays'.
You can be a closet gay but try being a closet African American. There's a difference. If gays kept their mouths shut and their lifestyles to themselves they wouldn't recieve discrimination. Blacks can't hide or cover up the fact that they are black. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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This isn't a race issue. This isn't a gender issue.
It's a gay issue. Let's make it what it is or are you afraid of that? |
It's not a 'gay issue'. It's a minority rights issue. |
Why are you and others afraid of calling it what it is?
Is it not about "Gay rights?" Why are you trying to redefine what it is? |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| The issue for me is about stopping the disproportionate influence of an insane religious cult on a supposedly secular political system. It's also an equality issue. |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| Asisde from "cult" influence and such. Homosexuality is still strong taboo amongst African American communities as it generally is among high school atheletes, and a majority of citizens as evidenced by the recent votes in three states. It is interesting that Christians are always labeled in this fringe, minority cult status with outmoded and insignificant, unpopular opinions but then when things are put to a popular vote, the advocates of leftist culture bitch about themselves being the tortured minoirity. Which is it? |
Whether the majority supports homosexual marriages or not isn't pertinent. It is wrong to deny our fellow human beings rights that everybody else enjoys because of a communal prejudice. We know that stoning women to death in Muslim countries is wrong and we condemn female circumcision. Why? Because humans have inalienable rights. Another inalienable right is to love and marry anyone we wish. |
Stoning anyone is wrong. Women however cannot change the fact they are women. A woman can walk up to you and say she is a man but once you take a good look at the boobs and hips, nope she's a gal.
However I can say I am a homosexual and there's no proof otherwise. Because what makes someone a homosexual is the act of homosexuality. Or in this case just saying that you are a homosexual. I can say I am a woman or even a woman trapped in a man's body but that still does not negate the fact that there are consequences if I try to gain access into a woman's bathroom. This isn't about individual's rights or the desire to marry as much as it is the gay/lesbs' pathological desire to be accepted. According to the recent votes it doesn't seem that society is willing to go that far yet. More people still believe marriage is best left between a man and a woman. |
Wanting to be accepted is not a pathological desire, its a human desire. If society doesn't yet want to go so far as to accept how gays wish to lead their lives, we should ask ourselves why that is so. I think that the underlying reason for people rejecting homosexuals' right to marry is religious. Religion has no place in determining whether someone should have access to certain rights. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
This isn't a race issue. This isn't a gender issue.
It's a gay issue. Let's make it what it is or are you afraid of that? |
It's not a 'gay issue'. It's a minority rights issue. |
Bullshit! Let's make bestiality, child molesters, polygamists and necrophiliacs minorities, too! More stupid, fuzzy liberal thinking! |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Liberals hate democracy |
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DoubleRS
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