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martinc
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: that was an interesting read |
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Your site is worth less than a template from template monster which is probably about 40 bucks unless you are providing the FLA source files, hosting well i would not trust that service for second, look at the terms and conditions http://kingpinhosting.com/home/index.php?p=6 oh Dear!!
Do you own kingpinhosting also?
The site is also just a sub domain of kingpin! Why would you not have a proper registered name with it?
If you wanted to move the site it would be difficult considering it is instaled on kingpin sub domain.
I can build a custon cms site with flash header with world class hosting not cheap crap and your own domain name with full CMSfor 300 bucks easily
Domain Reg - www.yourname.com $40 per year or Domain Reg - www.yourname.co.uk $40 per 2 years
Chef 750 MB Hosting Linux - $160 per year
(CMS) Full content management Software Installation and Rental - $40 per year
5 Standard mail boxes or Forwarders (Free)
Optional extras:
Custom Designed Template $40 +
Custom Designed Banner Image $10 + optional
Custom Designed Flash banner $20 +
Total Basic Package Price:$300.00)
If you sell this it would be one poor gulible person that will suffer
Sorry mate this is the truth!!!! |
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martinc
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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This is the oddest board I've ever been on. On most boards / forums if someone posts something for sale or they offer a service (or anything).... people will read it and say to themselves "no, I'm not interested in that" and then move on to the next posting.
No.... not here. People here simply attack. |
Welcome to Dave's!
They even have coined a term for it - you've been Spliffed! |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Uhhh... ya the site on the Acton one is the TEST site... the original... did you not see the difference? That went up a few years back and obviously was not used. Like I mentioned in a previous post (which you obviously didn't read) that I am a computer science teacher - you hit my class page where I posted the initial test product.
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Your site is worth less than a template from template monster which is probably about 40 bucks unless you are providing the FLA source files, hosting well i would not trust that service for second, look at the terms and conditions http://kingpinhosting.com/home/index.php?p=6 oh Dear!!
Do you own kingpinhosting also? |
No, as I have stated already that I am not selling a domain (Jesus Christ do you guys read?!?!?) Now you're attacking a hosting service for not filling in a page full of text?  You can buy a Template Monster site for $50 yes. Now, have them change any copy, change the flash header, set up your databases, write the php and then do your newsletter and you e-mail scripts. Then check the price. In fact you can all go to this site and check what it costs to modify a template monster template. This is their affiliate mod site: http://www.templatetuning.com/prices.php (check the "unique services") - $40.... ya.. you're funny 
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| If you wanted to move the site it would be difficult considering it is instaled on kingpin sub domain. |
Uhh... no, you ftp it to your domain. If you want to simply register your name (whatever it is and change the dns) I thought you said you knew about web development?
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| I can build a custon cms site with flash header with world class hosting not cheap crap and your own domain name with full CMSfor 300 bucks easily |
Wow the last guy was $100. Do you guys have live $300 and $100 sites up? I'd like to see them. I put the details up about all the requirements in previous message. I guess you didn't read that either (mate) |
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martinc
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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So tell me why it does not have a domain name anymore? and is on a sub directory of kingpin. seems likeit was never live! Right?
If it was live what was the URL?
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| Uhhh... ya the site on the Acton one is the TEST site... the original... did you not see the difference? That went up a few years back and obviously was not used. Like I mentioned in a previous post (which you obviously didn't read) that I am a computer science teacher - you hit my class page where I posted the initial test product. |
The prices on that templatetuning site are a rip of mate i can do that for 1/4 of the price easily and there are thousands others also that would do it.
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No, as I have stated already that I am not selling a domain (Jesus Christ do you guys read?!?!?) Now you're attacking a hosting service for not filling in a page full of text? You can buy a Template Monster site for $50 yes. Now, have them change any copy, change the flash header, set up your databases, write the php and then do your newsletter and you e-mail scripts. Then check the price. In fact you can all go to this site and check what it costs to modify a template monster template. This is their affiliate mod site: http://www.templatetuning.com/prices.php (check the "unique services") - $40.... ya.. you're funny |
You will still need to instal the database etc dont worry mate i do know!!!
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Uhh... no, you ftp it to your domain. If you want to simply register your name (whatever it is and change the dns) I thought you said you knew about web development? |
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| Wow the last guy was $100. Do you guys have live $300 and $100 sites up? I'd like to see them. I put the details up about all the requirements in previous message. I guess you didn't read that either (mate) |
Lets face it you are trying to sell a business that is a flop and all you have is a template from template monster which is worth $50 max
all the rest you can get free anywhere.
i have a few $300 sites up trust me on that! |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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He's putting a lot of time into trying to convince people it is "worth more". He wants to get paid for that time. It reminds me of a Monty Python skit where a therapist gets paid to argue.
"I didn't say it was 800 dollars"
"Yes you did"
"No, I didn't. I said I have site, and I would like 800 dollars"
"So, why is it worth so much?"
"Because, I have a DATABASE, can't you read English?"
"Ok, where is the data?"
"I don't have it up, plus, I never said I was selling the data"
etc... etc... etc...
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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'Anyone Want to Be a Recruiter?'
If you are selling a business yet without any clientel at all, and are selling without any on-going concern, then the subject line should merely read 'Website for Sale.'
This is why people are giving you a bit of a hard line - it's like you are advertising an ongoing business, when in reality there is no business happening at all. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Actually the very first line of the first post does say "Website for Sale" however it is in first person; which reads "I am selling my website." I know this may be a difficult concept for some.... website for sale.... selling a website.... yes, I can see how this may be confusing for many. Am I on some sort of candid camera type show for the Internet? People really aren't this stupid?... really; and teachers too? wow....
I know you people would not consider buying it; I just love logging on to see the next form of insanity - Monty Python!??! Ha! Jadarite you are great! But hey man... I'm still waiting for you to put together some flash headers for me in the matter of minutes for $10. Ha!! ha!!! Wait... wait.... didn't you accuse of of trying to sell something and then (...wait for it....) keep the money Ha! Ha! oh God ... I'm laughing so hard I'm in tears here.... What a crime! Ha! Ha!
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| You will still need to instal the database etc dont worry mate i do know!!! |
Whooo Hoo!! Someone now admits there is more to a site than 10 minutes worth of work. Yes you need to create the MySQL databases. But, the files to do this are included in the site. All you need to do is ftp the site to your host, then run the three files and your databases have been created.
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| Lets face it you are trying to sell a business that is a flop |
Nope - once again genius - I'm selling a website; not a business. You really have a problem with this concept don't you.... 
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| i have a few $300 sites up trust me on that! |
Oh so I've heard... so you'll make a site like mine for $300 I assume? So where are these sites? Someone else said $100.... I'd love to see you admin panels for these sites. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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NoExplode
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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No, as I have stated already that I am not selling a domain (Jesus Christ do you guys read?!?!?) Now you're attacking a hosting service for not filling in a page full of text? You can buy a Template Monster site for $50 yes. Now, have them change any copy, change the flash header, set up your databases, write the php and then do your newsletter and you e-mail scripts. Then check the price. In fact you can all go to this site and check what it costs to modify a template monster template. This is their affiliate mod site: http://www.templatetuning.com/prices.php (check the "unique services") - $40.... ya.. you're funny
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An Open Source CMS (let's go with Joomla!) + $40 template (if you're lazy) + 4 modules.
If anyone wants an exact clone of that website, I'll do it for 70,000 won. Plus I know a Korean Flash guy that will do excellent headers for 15,000 won.
Dude, you don't know what you're doing. There's no "there" there. Drop it and move on with your life. |
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clay4bc
Joined: 01 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| You people need to get a life. Why waste your time disrespecting someone's work. If you can do better, then do it. If not, shut up. Even if you can do better, still shut up. This person owns and made this web site - he has the right to ask whatever price he wants for it. You, in turn, have the right not to buy it. The amount of time you all spent here arguing about the perceived worth of this site would have been better spent on bettering yourselves, instead of trying to tear another person down. If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.....but it is just pathetic. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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clay4bc,
This isn't like he is trying to sell a dollar can of coke for 2 dollars, he is trying to sell what looks like a 300 dollar site at best for 500 dollars more (500 cans of coke). I don't see why asking about the details of his offer is out of line. If it's worth 800 dollars, why not outline why it's worth 800? I would if I were selling something.
When people sell jackets, computers, or appliances, there is always cross-referencing. Where does it show other people selling a site like his for $800? |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Sure... now if you want any of your information changed on it you are looking at $55 an hour. * Read the fine print at the bottom of the site * I said the average was about $40. I guess it's actually higher. And usually if a developer makes one change (ie. an e-mail graphic) that's charged as an hour. So, convert that whole site style over to a teaching in Korea website - he may quote you out at 12-15 hours. - so tack on aother seven bills
Thanks for the infusion of logic Clay - I'm just reading for the morbid curiosity at this point.
Wow you'll do an exact replica of that site for 70,000 Won - cool. So let's see the other sites you've done? Or are using some freebie Joomla or blog software. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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So, convert that whole site style over to a teaching in Korea website - he may quote you out at 12-15 hours. |
Aren't you already selling a teaching in Korea website? Back to the car analogy, if you sell a used car, you don't charge a second time for the car to be built. It has lost value on top of that.
You haven't shown us yet another person selling a site in the same condition as yours for the same price. People have stated $300 as a low ball figure. I personally would use something like joomla and figure out backend stuff because that's the kind of person I am.
However, since there seems to be 2 distinct kinds of people out there, we might want to look at 2 prices.
1) How much would you sell your site for someone who doesn't want to learn anything? They just want to buy it and run it out of the box. And then who else is selling the same kind of site? (ex. This detergent is better than the leading brand. Well, what is the leading brand? and HOW MUCH are they asking for?)
2) How much would you sell your site for someone who either is knowledgeable in the field and can put together the backend without assistance or willing to learn on their own dime?
If I were to sell a guitar I recently bought, I would sell it as is to someone who knew about guitars at a lower price because they would have to get it looked at.
If I were to sell the guitar to someone who didn't know much about guitars, I would let them know about the extra costs and either do it myself, sell it at a higher price, or I would simply let them know what they could do.
I always went to Midas to get my car looked at in America. Everytime, and at every Midas location, they would walk me under my car and show me what needed immediate work and what needed work later on. Firestone on the other hand would tell me to sit in the waiting room (they said there was a risk I would get hurt on their premises), and 2 weeks later, I would return not knowing why my car problems hadn't been resolved.
Midas gave me a list of costs upfront and let me choose what I was getting into, Firestone just fed me along till I stopped going to them. |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Aren't you already selling a teaching in Korea website? |
Dude... YOU posted that link stating that they can do the same thing that I do for less money. I just proved to you that is not the case; that they charge $55 an hour EXTRA to change copy etc. Are you seriously this daft?
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| if you sell a used car, you don't charge a second time for the car to be built. It has lost value on top of that. |
Stick with your car analogy if you must but cars wear out - used vehicles are cheaper because a whole slew of moving parts start to break down. This is generally not true for digital media. If a website is up and working - it's up and working. I may need a face lift every now and again but it will function 100% as the day you purchased it.
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1) How much would you sell your site for someone who doesn't want to learn anything? They just want to buy it and run it out of the box. And then who else is selling the same kind of site? (ex. This detergent is better than the leading brand. Well, what is the leading brand? and HOW MUCH are they asking for?)
2) How much would you sell your site for someone who either is knowledgeable in the field and can put together the backend without assistance or willing to learn on their own dime?
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Again, I have already explained this. In fact, I explained it to you. The initial posts states 'OBO' I assume you know this means "Or Best Offer". I also stated that someone could take the site and put it on their own server creating their own databases and put in their own copy (with the scripts I provide) or they can simply take over mine which is $13.85 a year. Do you not recall this posting? You started slamming the whole web server aspect of the site at this time. If someone is familiar with writing their own live read/write scripts and can create their own password protected admin section then they probably would not need to purchase a site in the first place. That person would most likely be a developer.
Look Jadarite, let me use an analogy even you can understand.... If you're listening to the radio and a song comes on you don't like; what do you do? Do you change the station and move on?... or do you you write the station manager and program director and try to have the song removed? Do you then start a campaign to publicly slam the band who created the song (who are simply trying to get people to buy their CD) and try to convince other to join your witch hunt? Really, is that the type of person you are?
- Just turn the station buddy; you're not interested in buying the site nor would I sell it to you anyhow.
(wait a sec.... how old are you?) |
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