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ReeseDog
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
Yes, the things people have been saying on this thread ARE generalizations. It's true. You could even go as far as calling them cliches.
But you realize that generalizations and cliches don't just drop out of the sky, right? They must come from somewhere.
And that somewhere is probably closer to reality than you'd like to think.  |
Yes, but one must temper the generalizations somehow, or they get out of hand. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
Yes, the things people have been saying on this thread ARE generalizations. It's true. You could even go as far as calling them cliches.
But you realize that generalizations and cliches don't just drop out of the sky, right? They must come from somewhere.
And that somewhere is probably closer to reality than you'd like to think. |
You do understand the differences between generalizations and prejudice, don't you?
Generalization: Ah, there's a loud and all too proud American. That's quite a characteristic sight.
Prejudice: I just found out that person is an American, he's almost certainly going to be loud and way too proud of his country.
And then there's just the bad inferences made on this thread, such as: "The American news I SEE is crap, so Americans must be entirely un/misinformed." |
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Thewhiteyalbum
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Yeah I see your points about partaking in American culture whether you want to or not. In a sense I basically grew up in an American suburb complete with malls etc. I am constantly saturated by it when I go home.
Incidentally my majors were Film and English lit, so I am well aware of the influence of Hollywood.
I think that what America has done, rather than create 'high art' is to blatently commercialize it for profit, (Warhol being a great example of this with his production line art) and I guess that's where my quarrel lies. However, this was an innevitability due to the rise of capitalism..
It is probably more about the time than the place. The whole western world is dumbing down - requiring instant gratification. |
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Thewhiteyalbum
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Yeah I see your points about partaking in American culture whether you want to or not. In a sense I basically grew up in an American suburb complete with malls etc. I am constantly saturated by it when I go home.
Incidentally my majors were Film and English lit, so I am well aware of the influence of Hollywood.
I think that what America has done, rather than create 'high art' is to blatently commercialize it for profit, (Warhol being a great example of this with his production line art) and I guess that's where my quarrel lies. However, this was an innevitability due to the rise of capitalism..
It is probably more about the time than the place. The whole western world is dumbing down - requiring instant gratification. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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On an ironic note, there is a movie based exactly on this. Called "Idiocracy", its a Mike Judge film (office space, B&B). It is an amazing film, and addresses many of your concerns, along with a lot of other peoples concerns.
I as one dont appreciate the over comercialized mind set of many Americans.
Check out the film though if you have'nt already.
Fox purposely messed up its distribution because the film made fun of Fox News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0sy-Mq58U |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
Yes, the things people have been saying on this thread ARE generalizations. It's true. You could even go as far as calling them cliches.
But you realize that generalizations and cliches don't just drop out of the sky, right? They must come from somewhere.
And that somewhere is probably closer to reality than you'd like to think. |
This "soft logic" seems to fairly represent those that choose to support the OP.
American history is full of exactly these types of attitudes.
Hopefully their damning influence is moving in the reverse.
Listen to yourself express this self-validating belief as regards:
Native peoples/Women/Blacks/Latinos/Asians/Irish/Poles/Italians/cops...
Many people all over the world use this sort of "reasoning".
I wish that none of them would generalize themselves to be "teachers". |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Lunar Groove Gardener wrote: |
I wish that none of them would generalize themselves to be "teachers". |
I'm terribly simple and I'm not quite sure I understand what this means.
Does that mean that I should also wish that you would generalize yourself to be an "English teacher?"
Perhaps if I keep turning it around it will make sense to me.  |
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