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bangbayed
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And let's not forget:
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| Craig supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, which barred extension of rights to same-sex couples; he voted for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006, and was a cosponsor in 2008. However, in late 2006 he appeared to endorse the right of individual states to create same-sex civil unions, but said he would vote "yes" on an Idaho constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages when pressured to clarify his position by the anti-gay rights group Families for a Better Idaho. Craig voted against cloture in 2002, which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
C'mon, am I the only one to see the resemblance between seosan + Quack Addict and him?  |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| isn't it pretty common knowledge that those who are the most vehemently opposed to homosexuality are actually repressed homosexuals themselves? and the reason it's so threatening is because they'd have to come to terms with the very part of themselves they've always hated - you know, that good ol' self-loathing and all. |
the only problem with this logic is it isn't logical. In fact it makes no sense. J. Edgar Hoover was not a secret communist. The Pope is not a secret Jew. Arabs are not secret Jews. Catholic Hard-Liners don't really want to abort. Koreans don't wish they were Japanese, they want to kill them.
Why does/should it be true for gays? Because it is a way around any debate on the subject. There are valid arguments AGAINST having sex and reproducing period. Not very good ones, but good enough for various peoples at various times. But anybody who says "I'm against hommosexuality" is in addition to being a bigot, also 'on the down low'. Seems a bit unfair. |
why are you making blanket statements that have absolutely no factual basis whatsoever? 
you think the pope hates jews? huh?
and that Arabs hate jews? huh? honey I've been to the middle east - and I'm assuming you meant moslem people since they are often blanketed to be "arabs" since it the language they speak  and no, there isn't a huge fever of "jew-hating" going around
and there are Ks who actually do like Jpn - believe it or not -
also, ahem, for the record, I said people who are the "most vehemently opposed."
others are just plain foolish, ignorant, biased, bigots, take your pick. |
There are two primary psychological defense mechanisms which can explain this phenomenon we see over and over in those being most stridently opposed to homosexuality turning out to have the orientation themselves: reaction formation and identification with the aggressor.
There can be no doubt that the phenomenon occurs, and is not very rare. One only need look at all such cases we have seen, the most recent being that of Rep. Mark Foley who, within months of sponsoring the Adam Walsh Act which enhanced enforcement against soliciting minors over the internet, was forced to resign from Congress for soliciting male teens over the internet.
"Methinks he doth protest too much." |
You see the SAME BS mechanism in the sodomites. First, "homophobes," then it's "hater or bigot," then the "if you're against them, you must be one" BS. Then on to civil rights, then comparing themselves to blacks. Then it goes to hissy-fits, attacking and all the other garbage these people commit.
They just recently attacked a group of Christians, so much for a crowd that demands tolerance from everyone else. Do I see a pattern here?
Again, like I said. The won't attack ANYONE who'll fight back. They'll attack small blondes and old women........but that's about it. If they actually attacked someone willing to fight back, they'd be lying in a pool of disease infected blood. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| seosan08 wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| moosehead wrote: |
| samcheokguy wrote: |
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| isn't it pretty common knowledge that those who are the most vehemently opposed to homosexuality are actually repressed homosexuals themselves? and the reason it's so threatening is because they'd have to come to terms with the very part of themselves they've always hated - you know, that good ol' self-loathing and all. |
the only problem with this logic is it isn't logical. In fact it makes no sense. J. Edgar Hoover was not a secret communist. The Pope is not a secret Jew. Arabs are not secret Jews. Catholic Hard-Liners don't really want to abort. Koreans don't wish they were Japanese, they want to kill them.
Why does/should it be true for gays? Because it is a way around any debate on the subject. There are valid arguments AGAINST having sex and reproducing period. Not very good ones, but good enough for various peoples at various times. But anybody who says "I'm against hommosexuality" is in addition to being a bigot, also 'on the down low'. Seems a bit unfair. |
why are you making blanket statements that have absolutely no factual basis whatsoever?
you think the pope hates jews? huh?
and that Arabs hate jews? huh? honey I've been to the middle east - and I'm assuming you meant moslem people since they are often blanketed to be "arabs" since it the language they speak and no, there isn't a huge fever of "jew-hating" going around
and there are Ks who actually do like Jpn - believe it or not -
also, ahem, for the record, I said people who are the "most vehemently opposed."
others are just plain foolish, ignorant, biased, bigots, take your pick. |
There are two primary psychological defense mechanisms which can explain this phenomenon we see over and over in those being most stridently opposed to homosexuality turning out to have the orientation themselves: reaction formation and identification with the aggressor.
There can be no doubt that the phenomenon occurs, and is not very rare. One only need look at all such cases we have seen, the most recent being that of Rep. Mark Foley who, within months of sponsoring the Adam Walsh Act which enhanced enforcement against soliciting minors over the internet, was forced to resign from Congress for soliciting male teens over the internet.
"Methinks he doth protest too much." |
You see the SAME BS mechanism in the sodomites. First, "homophobes," then it's "hater or bigot," then the "if you're against them, you must be one" BS. Then on to civil rights, then comparing themselves to blacks. Then it goes to hissy-fits, attacking and all the other garbage these people commit.
They just recently attacked a group of Christians, so much for a crowd that demands tolerance from everyone else. Do I see a pattern here?
Again, like I said. The won't attack ANYONE who'll fight back. They'll attack small blondes and old women........but that's about it. If they actually attacked someone willing to fight back, they'd be lying in a pool of disease infected blood. |
You are absolutely right that the psychodynamics involved are not limited to insightless, self-hating cryptohomosexuals. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Or liberal wanker morons! |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hoover was a straight cross-dresser. Like most of them. |
More propaganda! |
What? That Hoover was a cross-dresser or that many cross-dressers are actually straight? |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| the only place a thread like this can end up is the butt. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
And let's not forget:
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| Craig supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, which barred extension of rights to same-sex couples; he voted for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006, and was a cosponsor in 2008. However, in late 2006 he appeared to endorse the right of individual states to create same-sex civil unions, but said he would vote "yes" on an Idaho constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages when pressured to clarify his position by the anti-gay rights group Families for a Better Idaho. Craig voted against cloture in 2002, which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig |
There are many such examples. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| bangbayed wrote: |
And let's not forget:
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| Craig supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, which barred extension of rights to same-sex couples; he voted for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006, and was a cosponsor in 2008. However, in late 2006 he appeared to endorse the right of individual states to create same-sex civil unions, but said he would vote "yes" on an Idaho constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages when pressured to clarify his position by the anti-gay rights group Families for a Better Idaho. Craig voted against cloture in 2002, which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation. |
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