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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| YOU posted that link stating that they can do the same thing that I do for less money. I just proved to you that is not the case; that they charge $55 an hour EXTRA to change copy etc. Are you seriously this daft? |
No, that is incorrect. I never stated they can do the SAME thing for less money. I showed a similar site which DOES sell what they have for a lot less, AS IS, just AS YOU are selling your site AS IS. Can you comprehend that? How old are you?
They can't do it for less money if I want it completely changed. Why are you trying to convince me to want it completely changed  ??? So I can create some fictional need that you want me to have which could be solved by buying your site without those changes?
I provided the link because, if someone wanted that site AS IS, they could buy it at a much lower cost than what your selling your site AS IS. It isn't an ESL site, but it is a similar site. I said "compare" because I am sure there are differences.
Eight days after your original post, you still have yet to show us another ESL site selling for 800 dollars. Instead, you are inflating the cost of cheaper sites with some made-up needs that could rationalize selling your site at a higher price.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHOW US ANOTHER ESL RECRUITING SITE WHICH IS SELLING FOR 800 DOLLARS? BETTER YET, SHOW US A CUSTOMER THAT HAS BOUGHT A RECRUITING SITE FOR 800 DOLLARS. (If you go to Ebay, you can see customers' comments which not only give the seller credibility, but they also verify the legitimacy of their pricing. You have presented neither of these two.)
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| Stick with your car analogy if you must but cars wear out - used vehicles are cheaper because a whole slew of moving parts start to break down. This is generally not true for digital media. If a website is up and working - it's up and working. I may need a face lift every now and again but it will function 100% as the day you purchased it. |
So, I can sell my flash design intro I did back in 1999, which I got $400.00 for, for the same price? Where do you get moronic customers like this? Not only would they not want it, but it wouldn't be custom made for their company. If you are trying to sell me an existing site, then it is set to someone else's specifications, not mine. WHY ON EARTH WOULD I PAY THE SAME????
ATTENTION!!! ATTENTION!!! This is where my request becomes a trick question. Even if you did provide us with another site which was selling for 800 dollars, it doesn't make any sense to expect someone to pay that much since the person is going to want to get it changed to fit their company name, logo, etc...
You can't just expect someone to pay that much for a secondhand site. It's been 8 days, have you gotten any offers to pay 600 or more?
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| Look Jadarite, let me use an analogy even you can understand.... If you're listening to the radio and a song comes on you don't like; what do you do? Do you change the station and move on?... or do you you write the station manager and program director and try to have the song removed? Do you then start a campaign to publicly slam the band who created the song (who are simply trying to get people to buy their CD) and try to convince other to join your witch hunt? Really, is that the type of person you are? |
Look Coca-Cola Kid, you came to this site. By your posts, you aren't a regular here. It is YOU that has to PROVE the validity of what you are trying to sell. I am simply trying to understand how the numbers add up to 800. I see small charges for hosting, web domain, flash design, but none of it adds up to the 800 you are asking for. You think I am going to ignore that oh so small, yet critical, part of your offer?
EITHER PUT UP OR YOU SHUT UP. Where is another site which is selling for 800?
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martinc
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: not professional |
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| sorry mate i dont think it would be very professional of me to post links to the site that i have built for 300 dollars on this site but trust me that is the standard package as i outlined earlier, including domain reg and world class hosting |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| sorry mate i dont think it would be very professional of me to post links to the site that i have built for 300 dollars on this site but trust me that is the standard package as i outlined earlier, including domain reg and world class hosting |
Ok... PM me. I'd really like to see your admin panels. I've built numerous sites without admin read write access I'd sell for $300. But let's see what you got!
jadarite - Whew, getting a little hot under the collar aren't we kid
 So you want me to search the Internet to find you ANOTHER recruiting site that is for sale and happens to have the same features as mine and has a similar price to mine? Is that correct?
So you're not really familiar with the concept of sales are you.... If someone is advertising a website for sale, he doesn't go out and show the competition to potential buyers. If I worked for GM and you came in to buy a car, I wouldn't say - "Go over to Dodge and take a look". People will go over to Dodge as a responsible consumer but the seller doesn't do this. (come on Marcus you can do better than that)
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| It is YOU that has to PROVE the validity of what you are trying to sell. |
I did - I showed you a working site; which is live and valid. If you don't like it, or the price click "next"
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ATTENTION!!! ATTENTION!!! This is where my request becomes a trick question. Even if you did provide us with another site which was selling for 800 dollars, it doesn't make any sense to expect someone to pay that much since the person is going to want to get it changed to fit their company name, logo, etc.. |
Wait.... so now it would be a waste of time to search out another recruiting site for you for a similar price? - You want to ask "trick questions" now? Oh wait a sec kid... you mean a "rhetorical" question.... ok gotcha. Again, I also mentioned this in a bunch of previous posts - they were actually in response to you (again, you are not reading your responses tsk. tsk.) I said you can take the name or you can change it around to fit your needs - you will need to change the copy anyhow because my site was based of recruiting teachers from a board of ed I belong to. Back up Jadrite and read your own responses. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Have you sold it yet?
Do you think you will sell it for 800?
If you are a teacher as you say you are, why not teach us where these 800 sites are?
Many people do show competition because they are C-O-M-P-E-T-I-N-G!!! Perhaps, you don't want to show the figures because you know you're selling yours way higher than the rest.
It doesn't matter to me, I am not buying it, nor am I am trying to sell it. If I were selling something, I wouldn't mind informing a buyer of the alternatives so they could make a well informed decision.
That's the kind of person I am. Regardless if I am 100% mistaken about your site's value, I am exposing you as a "teacher" who isn't even going to teach us. Either it's because you can't or because you don't want to.
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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"Working Hours: 6am-12am" - http://thompson.kingpinhosting.com/jobs/viewid.php?id=14
"Overtime Pay: 4 000" 
"Accomodations: shared"  (Considering the hours, maybe they never see their roommate and it feels like a single place.)
By the way, it's "Accommodations", 2 m's
I would contact the teacher that took that job, he might want to quit and become a recruiter, LOL!!! |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| That's the kind of person I am. Regardless if I am 100% mistaken about your site's value, I am exposing you as a "teacher" who isn't even going to teach us. Either it's because you can't or because you don't want to. |
If you would like to google web development and costs - go ahead. In fact I even gave you a site which works with Template Monster. However, why would I attempt to promote competition? Did you not read my previous post? Furthermore, why would I need to teach you when you apparently know everything about web development? Yes, Jardite I do recall you making some empty promised of $10 headers  Also, you are not my student, so I need not "teach you".
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| It doesn't matter to me, I am not buying it, nor am I am trying to sell it. If I were selling something, I wouldn't mind informing a buyer of the alternatives so they could make a well informed decision. |
Really, it appears you have some sort of vested interest. But if you were going to sell someone a widget, you would actually advertise everyone else's widget (which may be the same as yours) for free? - oh that's genius. It's a good thing you're not in marketing or advertising.
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| why would I attempt to promote competition? |
If you had a better deal than your competitor, why wouldn't you?
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| you would actually advertise everyone else's widget (which may be the same as yours) for free? |
Telling people my widget is cheaper and better isn't advertising for other people. Where do you get such strange logic?
HAVE YOU SOLD YOUR WIDGET YET? 
(Checkmate? It's more like "Zugzwang!!" on your end.) |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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This is to anyone considering this offer. I asked around by email and got the following reply:
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for contacting me! CMS website design and development packages start at $800. That includes everything listed here:
http://www.designsonfire.com/design-services/web-design-services
You would be responsible for paying the hosting fees of $19.99 per month.
* FREE domain name - Choose your own URL
* Custom Design - No cookie-cutter templates here - your site is stunning, fresh and unique
* Unlimited Pages - About Us, Products, Services, Contact Us pages are standard examples, these pages are anything and everything you'll need
* Complete Training - Imagine the convenience of easily managing your website from anywhere, using an online control panel, personalized training and education included
* Dynamic Features - Choose from: Photo Gallery, Image Slideshow, Email Newsletters, Web Links and more (Additional fees apply)
* Search Engine Friendly URLs - Search engine optimization and submission to major search engines (Yahoo, MSN, Google)*
* Web Hosting - Professional turn-key hosting and support, per yearly fee
* Copyright Released - Your company or organization owns the full rights to the website design and all content
Do you have any idea of the type of features you'd need, for example a photo gallery or slideshow?
Just let me know if you have any questions, I'd be glad to help.
Thanks again for contacting Designs On Fire.
Kaiti Lenhart
Owner, Graphic Designer
[email protected]
Designs On Fire
Your inspired solution for print and web design.
www.designsonfire.com |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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What is a spec house?
The textbook definition of a spec house is "one built on a speculative basis, without an order on the books". Commonly, a buyer will be unsatisfied with this type of house because it was not built or customized to their tastes. |
I'm personally impressed by the site, but many red flags would go up from any potential teacher. As Dave pointed out, stock photos are kind of creepy. (All though they do love their 'copy and paste' stock photos here in Korea) |
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martinc
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Funny man!!! |
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sorry mate i dont think it would be very professional of me to post links to the site that i have built for 300 dollars on this site but trust me that is the standard package as i outlined earlier, including domain reg and world class hosting
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Ok... PM me. I'd really like to see your admin panels. I've built numerous sites without admin read write access I'd sell for $300. But let's see what you got!
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Do you really think i am going to give you admin access? im sorry mate i dont care if you dont think i am honest about what i can do for 300 bucks but i can promise you that your site is nothing short of 300 and it would be custom made with its own domain name and hostng.
Anyway let�s face it no one is going to give you more than 50 bucks for that site!!!
Oh and I take it you are selling your site with all original .PSD, .FLA, or what ever original source files you have? If not it is really worth nothing your site! |
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skitzo
Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Thanks for contacting me! CMS website design and development packages start at $800. That includes everything listed here:
http://www.designsonfire.com/design-services/web-design-services
You would be responsible for paying the hosting fees of $19.99 per month.
* FREE domain name - Choose your own URL
* Custom Design - No cookie-cutter templates here - your site is stunning, fresh and unique
* Unlimited Pages - About Us, Products, Services, Contact Us pages are standard examples, these pages are anything and everything you'll need
* Complete Training - Imagine the convenience of easily managing your website from anywhere, using an online control panel, personalized training and education included
* Dynamic Features - Choose from: Photo Gallery, Image Slideshow, Email Newsletters, Web Links and more (Additional fees apply)
* Search Engine Friendly URLs - Search engine optimization and submission to major search engines (Yahoo, MSN, Google)*
* Web Hosting - Professional turn-key hosting and support, per yearly fee
* Copyright Released - Your company or organization owns the full rights to the website design and all content |
Uh.... Marcus; you see they are charging you $800 for that plus $19.00 a month. You wouldn't need any training with mine because the admin is all run on ready-made admin menu's. Everything else you listed is what I have - except a gallery but that is easily dropped in. Search engines are meta tags and the guy who hosts mine in $13.85 a year where your example is 19.00 a MONTH. So... you have actually proved that a site similar to mine is not worth $100; but in fact is worth $800. Thanks!
Martinc
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Do you really think i am going to give you admin access? im sorry mate i dont care if you dont think i am honest about what i can do for 300 bucks but i can promise you that your site is nothing short of 300 and it would be custom made with its own domain name and hostng.
Anyway let�s face it no one is going to give you more than 50 bucks for that site!!!
Oh and I take it you are selling your site with all original .PSD, .FLA, or what ever original source files you have? If not it is really worth nothing your site! |
Oh come on Marinc... let's see SOMETHING!! Honest? You slag me and my site with no provocation and when I call you on it you won't even PM me a URL of all the amazing work you've done?!??! At least let us see a site where you have an admin panel - I don't need access to it. You've gone on about what a great developer you are and how I suck - lets see your work; you're not just posting some 'off the shelf' blog are you? Of course I would include all the original files. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Everything else you listed is what I have |
I do see a lot of the same things, and I do realize the cost is higher than 300. However, I still don't see how the extra 500 comes into play.
"* Custom Design - No cookie-cutter templates here - your site is stunning, fresh and unique"
Will the site be custom designed to fit your buyer's company? If someone were to value your site as being close to 800, then the cost of custom designing wouldn't be that much. If the cost ran a couple hundred, then we could more accurately value your site at 600 because you aren't designing anything new for the buyer. You are simply selling the site AS IS.
Things like this make people at least question. If you want to keep it at 800, you might want to offer a few hours of designing so the person can get a site which would reflect their company and not a pre-existing one. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: Convert it |
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Keep it, convert it to a porn site, and rake it in.
Even in a recession, sex sells. Hell, even in a depression one can make bank selling sex. |
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