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Never Pre-Pay a Flight for the SMOE
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Never Pre-Pay a Flight for the SMOE Reply with quote

I started working for the SMOE back in August, and was told at the time that I would have to pre-pay for my flight as a result of my late arrival (4 days late to orientation as a result of the Toronto Consulate wanting interviews will all new E2 holders)...

Being a government run organization I figured "hey, no problem, they'll pay me back in full..."

Last month I received my flight reimbursement, and noticed that it was about $100cdn short of what it should be. Upon asking about this my co-teacher had no idea, but spent the better part of two and a half weeks calling the district office to inquire about it... Excuses ranged from "We don't have the budget" to "Because he is the only person to complain about this it is not a big deal"...

Finally got a hold of the email address for the head NSET wrangler for SMOE and sent him an email. Now, I was never told this before (literally) this morning - but SMOE reimbuses flight at the exchange rate on the day of purchase, not on the day of repayment...

Cost of ticket - $1110cdn
Exchange rate on purchase day - 1050 (approx)
Exchange rate on payment day - 1116 (approx)
Payment - 1,138,000 won
Loss of $92cdn (approx)

Unlike those who had their flights paid for them upfront, I've lost money on the deal... With the new E2 regulations and the declinging Won you would think that SMOE would be doing everything it can to keep its current teachers happy...

SO - word to the wise - do not pre-pay for your flight if you are working for SMOE...

(And for the record, had the rate gone up from the time of ticket purchase I would have still only expected to be paid the CND amount of the ticket...)
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think someone else posted about this already. It is a rip off swo that`s why I just took their Korean Air flight. Expensive and prepaid the way I like it.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
I think someone else posted about this already. It is a rip off swo that`s why I just took their Korean Air flight. Expensive and prepaid the way I like it.


LOL... At least I got to fly Air Canada (which was 200 bucks cheaper than Korean Air believe it or not...)
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean Air service is better. Flight attendants prettier.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

District offices are usually lead my idiots and people unfamiliar with the NSET program. Go directly to the head office.

Then, if that fails, go to the labor board.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was paid around $100 less than flight cost, because they don't pay taxes, insurance, and bag fees. They only pay the part that is itemized as flight cost in your E ticket receipt; not accessory fees if wanna call them that. I'm with EPIK; not SMOE, but both are PS.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
I was paid around $100 less than flight cost, because they don't pay taxes, insurance, and bag fees. They only pay the part that is itemized as flight cost in your E ticket receipt; not accessory fees if wanna call them that. I'm with EPIK; not SMOE, but both are PS.


Do they pre=pay for flights though? And if so, did others have all of thos things paid for them?... For SMOE they pay everything.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
District offices are usually lead my idiots and people unfamiliar with the NSET program. Go directly to the head office.

Then, if that fails, go to the labor board.


Yaaaa, that's why I emailed the head NSET wrangler for the SMOE... Here was his email reply:
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It's our policy to reimburse the value amount on the day it was purchased.
It was our policy from 2005. We new the market is very unstable so that is
why we decided to do it this way.

I said this at orientation and there was an announcement about this matter
on our website.

I'm Sorry but this is all I can do.
-------------------------------

Unfortunatly I don't think there is a lot I can do (unless someone has a great idea)... Neither the SMOE contract nor the Dutie and Regulations section of the SMOE handbook have anything about proper flight reimbursement - mainly because its not supposed to happen...
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once reimbursed through SMOE. I got all my money, taxes and fees included. The amount on my credit card is what I was given.

Except no less.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
I was once reimbursed through SMOE. I got all my money, taxes and fees included. The amount on my credit card is what I was given.

Except no less.



Were you paid in your home country's currency, or the Korea won equivelent? Which exchange rate did they use (time at purchase, or time at reimbursement)? Was this before or after 2005?

(Just trying to see if there is a precident for reimbursement that I'm being shafted on)
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Binch Lover



Joined: 25 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

egrog1717 wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
District offices are usually lead my idiots and people unfamiliar with the NSET program. Go directly to the head office.

Then, if that fails, go to the labor board.


Yaaaa, that's why I emailed the head NSET wrangler for the SMOE... Here was his email reply:
-------------------------------
It's our policy to reimburse the value amount on the day it was purchased.
It was our policy from 2005. We new the market is very unstable so that is
why we decided to do it this way.

I said this at orientation and there was an announcement about this matter
on our website.

I'm Sorry but this is all I can do.
-------------------------------

Unfortunatly I don't think there is a lot I can do (unless someone has a great idea)... Neither the SMOE contract nor the Dutie and Regulations section of the SMOE handbook have anything about proper flight reimbursement - mainly because its not supposed to happen...


I don't see the problem. They're saying they reimburse tickets at the exchange rate on the day of the purchase, which after all is what you paid for it at the time. Is that not fair? I'm not sure you'd be complaining if the exchange rate had gone the other way...
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^
I have to agree with this.

I'd be happier if the re-imbursement was expediated...I had to wait three months.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Binch Lover wrote:
egrog1717 wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
District offices are usually lead my idiots and people unfamiliar with the NSET program. Go directly to the head office.

Then, if that fails, go to the labor board.


Yaaaa, that's why I emailed the head NSET wrangler for the SMOE... Here was his email reply:
-------------------------------
It's our policy to reimburse the value amount on the day it was purchased.
It was our policy from 2005. We new the market is very unstable so that is
why we decided to do it this way.

I said this at orientation and there was an announcement about this matter
on our website.

I'm Sorry but this is all I can do.
-------------------------------

Unfortunatly I don't think there is a lot I can do (unless someone has a great idea)... Neither the SMOE contract nor the Dutie and Regulations section of the SMOE handbook have anything about proper flight reimbursement - mainly because its not supposed to happen...


I don't see the problem. They're saying they reimburse tickets at the exchange rate on the day of the purchase, which after all is what you paid for it at the time. Is that not fair? I'm not sure you'd be complaining if the exchange rate had gone the other way...


If that's the case, I'm sure SMOE would use the current exchange rate to screw the FTs.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
Binch Lover wrote:
egrog1717 wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
District offices are usually lead my idiots and people unfamiliar with the NSET program. Go directly to the head office.

Then, if that fails, go to the labor board.


Yaaaa, that's why I emailed the head NSET wrangler for the SMOE... Here was his email reply:
-------------------------------
It's our policy to reimburse the value amount on the day it was purchased.
It was our policy from 2005. We new the market is very unstable so that is
why we decided to do it this way.

I said this at orientation and there was an announcement about this matter
on our website.

I'm Sorry but this is all I can do.
-------------------------------

Unfortunatly I don't think there is a lot I can do (unless someone has a great idea)... Neither the SMOE contract nor the Dutie and Regulations section of the SMOE handbook have anything about proper flight reimbursement - mainly because its not supposed to happen...


I don't see the problem. They're saying they reimburse tickets at the exchange rate on the day of the purchase, which after all is what you paid for it at the time. Is that not fair? I'm not sure you'd be complaining if the exchange rate had gone the other way...


If that's the case, I'm sure SMOE would use the current exchange rate to screw the FTs.



Exactly... And notethe part of my original post where I said that I wouldn't have expected more money had the exchange gone up in my favour... Just what I was owed...

I lost money. Am I losing sleep over it? No... Just trying to make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else by sharing my story...
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farrepatt



Joined: 27 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife had the same thing happen with GEPIK this month too. The paid us for the exchange on the date we bought the tickets (when the rate was 1210) even though the rate was 1330 the day they paid us.

Last year when we came over, GEPIK paid us the exchange rate for the date they paid us and not the ticket date (since it was to their advantage then). My wife called GEPIK and was told that they have no official policy and the school's are free to decide if they want to pay the rate based on the purchase date or the payment date.
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