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Anyone catch the naver article on unqualified teachers?
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QbertP



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Anyone catch the naver article on unqualified teachers? Reply with quote

http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LS2D&mid=sec&sid1=102&sid2=250&oid=001&aid=0002378418

It's in korean but it's top news apparently. So it may be picked up by korea beat soon enough.

Still I heard it may have some actuall facts and figures in it. If anyone wants to do a prelim translation on it I'd like to see it.
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Louie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So.....despite the fact that the government is implementing all these regulations to make it tougher for people to get an E2 visa, people STILL find reasons to complain about foreigners.......is this truly NEW news?
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spyro25



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to say nothing of all the koreans with forged documents........
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Bigs



Joined: 15 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spyro25 wrote:
to say nothing of all the koreans with forged documents........


Ah, but it's cunning if a Korean does it. Rolling Eyes
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Louie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much for "When in Rome, do as the Romans do..."
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louie wrote:
So much for "When in Rome, do as the Romans do..."


As long as crap like this keeps being published or making it to electronic media. I encourage ALL e-2 holders to do private lessons.
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JungMin



Joined: 18 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'facts' your are talking about:

37% of english teachers in seoul have a TESOL certificate.
20% of teachers have a teachers degree.
5% have both of them.
48% have nothing.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the vast majority of E-2 visa holders hold degrees from universities that are astronomically better than any so-called university in South Korea.
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QbertP



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
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hugekebab



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JungMin wrote:
The 'facts' your are talking about:

37% of english teachers in seoul have a TESOL certificate.
20% of teachers have a teachers degree.
5% have both of them.
48% have nothing.


The reason that relatively few have these is because Korean employers don't usually ask for them or require them. The E-2 requires only a batchelors. Therefore, your fault, not ours.
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Louie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, I have to ask this:

Is that 48% of all E2 holders it says that has nothing?
or
Is it that 48% of ALL foreigners in Korea (with E2 and tourist visas) have no degree nor certificate?

To say that foreigners getting E2 visas have no degree is not true these days because, supposedly, you have to submit your degree and SEALED transcripts to obtain an E2. And it was my understanding that immigration has a list of bogus unis to watch for people who try to submit a fake degree........

so, that assessment is false, at least to my understanding...........unless they are just hate mongering
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if this country was more attractive and not such a huge polluted messy mess along with the annoying culture, they'd have no problem getting well qualified professionals to come. Instead of complaining about not having qualified teachers, maybe they need to consider the larger macro problems supporting it to be the way it is. Why do many ESL teachers, often the best ones, wish to go to Hong Kong, Germany, Japan, Italy, USA, Australia, and so on? Because those countries offer a more pleasant environment to live and work in, but it's still what you make of it. Because those countries present a higher quality environment, they draw higher qualified professional teachers and can demand a competitive job market requiring more than a bachelors degree.

Instead of me complaining about that my career is not rewarding enough since I land in less than desirable positions, maybe I need to take initiative to improve my qualifications or retrain into another line of work and do something I never did before.
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Bigs



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from The Marmot's Hole - http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/11/24/half-of-foreign-english-teachers-in-seoul-schools-are-unqualified/

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Yonhap News reports that half the foreign English teachers in Seoul elementary, middle and high schools are unqualified.

According data submitted by the Seoul Office of Education to Seoul councilman Nam Jae-gyeong (Grand National Party), only 166 of the 810 foreign English teachers (20.5%) in city schools were certified teachers.

Only 303, or 37.4%, had TESOL certifications, while 44 (5.4%) had both teaching and TESOL certifications.

Only 136 (16.8%) had majors related to English education, and only 102 (12.6%) were education majors.

Meanwhile, 385 teachers � 48% � had neither teacher certifications or TESOL certifications.

Seoul Office of Education gives preference to foreign applicants with teaching credentials, those with over 100 hours of TESOL/TEFL experience, and those with education majors.

Nevertheless, the city can hire anyone with a degree and a year�s experience teaching English at a public institution.

About this, Councilman Nam said that according to current hiring standards, just about anyone with a degree can become an English teacher, and pointed out the need to strengthen hiring standards to bring outstanding talent into the personnel pool.

MARMOT�S NOTE: This strikes me as a �you get what you pay for� issue. If this is what Seoul is offering, they might have a tough time getting the kind of people they want.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JungMin wrote:
The 'facts' your are talking about:

37% of english teachers in seoul have a TESOL certificate.
20% of teachers have a teachers degree.
5% have both of them.
48% have nothing.


I fit none of these as I have a degree.


I'd take a western person with any degree from a majority of univerities back home over an education degree from most Korean universities.

Complaining about it is just stupid.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigs wrote:
Taken from The Marmot's Hole - http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/11/24/half-of-foreign-english-teachers-in-seoul-schools-are-unqualified/

Quote:
Yonhap News reports that half the foreign English teachers in Seoul elementary, middle and high schools are unqualified.

According data submitted by the Seoul Office of Education to Seoul councilman Nam Jae-gyeong (Grand National Party), only 166 of the 810 foreign English teachers (20.5%) in city schools were certified teachers.

Only 303, or 37.4%, had TESOL certifications, while 44 (5.4%) had both teaching and TESOL certifications.

Only 136 (16.8%) had majors related to English education, and only 102 (12.6%) were education majors.

Meanwhile, 385 teachers � 48% � had neither teacher certifications or TESOL certifications.

Seoul Office of Education gives preference to foreign applicants with teaching credentials, those with over 100 hours of TESOL/TEFL experience, and those with education majors.

Nevertheless, the city can hire anyone with a degree and a year�s experience teaching English at a public institution.

About this, Councilman Nam said that according to current hiring standards, just about anyone with a degree can become an English teacher, and pointed out the need to strengthen hiring standards to bring outstanding talent into the personnel pool.

MARMOT�S NOTE: This strikes me as a �you get what you pay for� issue. If this is what Seoul is offering, they might have a tough time getting the kind of people they want.


It's not the hiring standards that need fixing, it's the quality of education here that needs fixing along with an improvement on the working conditions for teachers here...this will bring in more teachers without the need for greater regulations.
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