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DIsbell



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: SLP in Sungbuk-gu, Seoul Reply with quote

Hi all! Newbie here looking at a first job offer with the school in the title. I searched and found some topics about other SLP schools, but not this one in particular, so I felt it was worth asking. It seems like SLP doesn't have the greatest reputation, but it seems part of that is due to the 8 hour shifts- but looking at their site, the 8hours a day covers breaks and prep time, giving you about 28 40 minute classes a week. Is that good/bad, normal/abnormal?

A Seoul location has some appeal, and the salary isn't terrible. Any thoughts or experiences would be welcome.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: SLP in Sungbuk-gu, Seoul Reply with quote

DIsbell wrote:
Hi all! Newbie here looking at a first job offer with the school in the title. I searched and found some topics about other SLP schools, but not this one in particular, so I felt it was worth asking. It seems like SLP doesn't have the greatest reputation, but it seems part of that is due to the 8 hour shifts- but looking at their site, the 8hours a day covers breaks and prep time, giving you about 28 40 minute classes a week. Is that good/bad, normal/abnormal?

A Seoul location has some appeal, and the salary isn't terrible. Any thoughts or experiences would be welcome.


READ THE CONTRACT CAREFULLY.

The devil is in the details.

You will work 21-22 classes of 80-90 minutes (1800+) for the SAME money as the next guy working 30 classes of 50 minutes (1500) or a PS teacher in front of the class for 22 classes of 40 minutes (880).

That works out to somewhere between 300 minutes (5 hours) and 900 minutes (15 hours) MORE TIME PER WEEK standing in front of the class and entertaining your students.

Then consider 10 days paid holidays as compared to 4-6 WEEKS of paid holidays. Then look at the sick time (0) as compared to 15 days per year.

Then look at the penalties for leaving early (should the need arise).

Then look at the benefit of renewing at the same school (if you decide to).
"we'll pay your airfare when you finally leave Korea" as compared to "2 additional weeks paid leave + airfare" EVERY YEAR.

The SLP contract doesn't get any better after that either.

Yup, The devil IS in the details.

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DIsbell



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright, thanks for the advice. I'll be passing on this offer.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From all the SLP contracts I've seen, people call it the Slave Labour Program for a reason Wink
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes, when I think of the SLP program, I think they should send in some GIs to liberate the foreign teachers from slavery. I haven't heard good things about SLP except for one in Cheonan. I knew a girl who ended up doing a midnight run recently after working at an SLP.
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timmeh



Joined: 01 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked at this exact school. The only reason SLP still exists is because of the teachers who bust their asses everyday. I'd advise against the SLP chain. You'll work a ton of hours with minimal holidays.
I still know a majority of the teachers there and needless to say most are not planning on renewing their contract.

Keep shopping around! Goodluck!
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waynehead



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AUD - Avoid Unless Desperate. This should apply to all SLPs.
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DIsbell



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the tips, here and in PMs.

Has anyone heard anything about EOS in Suwon?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIsbell wrote:
Thanks for all the tips, here and in PMs.

Has anyone heard anything about EOS in Suwon?


It is out in Yeongtong.
Big place. 4 floor private building.
Library, computer lab, gym, auditorium, pool on the roof.
Kindy and elementary so the work day is 10-7:30.
8-12 foreigners on staff and a matching number of K-teachers.
Pay is on-time with no surprises but they didn't (and probably still don't) pay into medical or pension.
Apartments were nice (for a hakwon), close to work and there is lots of shopping and restaurants nearby.
http://www.eoskids.com/
http://www.eoskids.com/ver3/bbs/board.php?bo_table=life
http://www.eoskids.com/english/eng_main.htm

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jakeh0723



Joined: 01 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Something positive for a change Reply with quote

I will soon be starting my 3rd contract at SUNGBUK-GU SLP. I am incredibly satisfied with my school�s program and with the way I am treated as an employee here by my director and supervisors.
Teachers only ever see the negatives in their job, seldom the positives.
Some of the positive things that are overlooked by teachers and Sungbuk SLP are:
1. NEVER EVER any issues of payment. Period. 2. Caring and understanding director and supervisors who actually SPEAK ENGLISH so your concerns can be addressed.
3. The school takes care of getting your alien card, health insurance, bank account, visa extensions, etc.(where many schools leave that up to the teacher to take care of).
4. You are NEVER forced to work outside of your scheduled 40 hour work week.
To address the previous replies let me say this:
What most people fail to realize is that when you come to Korea to teach English you are here to work. It�s not a vacation where you work a little on the side. You are an ENGLISH TEACHER which is in fact a job. This is a job not slavery; What company in existence would stay in business if the employees didn�t �bust their asses� (and by �bust their asses� I mean work 40 hours a week) For many teachers here this is their first job out of college and they don�t really know what work is. If you got a job back in the States or Canada you�d have the exact same thing. Think about it: still 40 hours a week but� no vacation until after your first year� a long commute to work� and believe it or not probably lots and lots of OVERTIME!
Finally I�d like to correct the numbers in the first reply by ttompatz
At SUNGBUK-GU SLP teachers work from 1200 to 1680 minutes per week; never as much as the 1800+ he claimed. Currently among the 18 foreign teachers they all teach within 3-4 working hours of each other per week. Foreign teachers are given 3 days of sick leave. While that is not many, at the same time it is not zero days as he had mentioned. In response to the 4-6 weeks vacation time, he probably forgot to mention that in exception for a university job which requires experience, certifications and connections (not a typical first job here for a college graduate) which offers that much time off, you�ll have to do summer English camps during your 4-6 week �vacation�, so don�t get a one month tour of Asia planned in your head for your vacation because you�ll still have to report to work every day. The 10 days paid vacation here are strategically placed using holidays and weekends to make a summer and winter vacation both 9-10 days long.
Sungbuk-gu SLP is a good place to work. It�s dependable, and honest, and that�s why I�m still here.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Something positive for a change Reply with quote

jakeh0723 wrote:
I will soon be starting my 3rd contract at SUNGBUK-GU SLP. I am incredibly satisfied with my school�s program and with the way I am treated as an employee here by my director and supervisors.
Teachers only ever see the negatives in their job, seldom the positives.
Some of the positive things that are overlooked by teachers and Sungbuk SLP are:
1. NEVER EVER any issues of payment. Period. 2. Caring and understanding director and supervisors who actually SPEAK ENGLISH so your concerns can be addressed.
3. The school takes care of getting your alien card, health insurance, bank account, visa extensions, etc.(where many schools leave that up to the teacher to take care of).
4. You are NEVER forced to work outside of your scheduled 40 hour work week.
To address the previous replies let me say this:
What most people fail to realize is that when you come to Korea to teach English you are here to work. It�s not a vacation where you work a little on the side. You are an ENGLISH TEACHER which is in fact a job. This is a job not slavery; What company in existence would stay in business if the employees didn�t �bust their asses� (and by �bust their asses� I mean work 40 hours a week) For many teachers here this is their first job out of college and they don�t really know what work is. If you got a job back in the States or Canada you�d have the exact same thing. Think about it: still 40 hours a week but� no vacation until after your first year� a long commute to work� and believe it or not probably lots and lots of OVERTIME!
Finally I�d like to correct the numbers in the first reply by ttompatz
At SUNGBUK-GU SLP teachers work from 1200 to 1680 minutes per week; never as much as the 1800+ he claimed. Currently among the 18 foreign teachers they all teach within 3-4 working hours of each other per week. Foreign teachers are given 3 days of sick leave. While that is not many, at the same time it is not zero days as he had mentioned. In response to the 4-6 weeks vacation time, he probably forgot to mention that in exception for a university job which requires experience, certifications and connections (not a typical first job here for a college graduate) which offers that much time off, you�ll have to do summer English camps during your 4-6 week �vacation�, so don�t get a one month tour of Asia planned in your head for your vacation because you�ll still have to report to work every day. The 10 days paid vacation here are strategically placed using holidays and weekends to make a summer and winter vacation both 9-10 days long.
Sungbuk-gu SLP is a good place to work. It�s dependable, and honest, and that�s why I�m still here.


You sir are bearing false witness, and happen to be korean. Please Try again.
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roadballmint



Joined: 09 Jan 2009
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for an SLP branch in Seoul, and overall I have been satisfied with my job. The one thing you must keep in mind is that all SLP's are independently operated by a different director. They occasionally share teaching materials and report back to corporate, but how the branches are run depends completely on the competence or incompetence of the director. Some SLP's are total basket cases, others are model hagwons. You really have to look at every branch individually. The only thing every SLP branch has in common is the SLP name. Honestly, that is where the similarities end.

SLP certainly isn't the best you could do, but it's far from the worst. I don't think it's fair to say avoid the SLP chain altogether. But I would advise you to check out the individual branch very carefully before committing to a year contract.
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balzor



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Something positive for a change Reply with quote

wesharris wrote:
jakeh0723 wrote:
I will soon be starting my 3rd contract at SUNGBUK-GU SLP. I am incredibly satisfied with my school�s program and with the way I am treated as an employee here by my director and supervisors.
Teachers only ever see the negatives in their job, seldom the positives.
Some of the positive things that are overlooked by teachers and Sungbuk SLP are:
1. NEVER EVER any issues of payment. Period. 2. Caring and understanding director and supervisors who actually SPEAK ENGLISH so your concerns can be addressed.
3. The school takes care of getting your alien card, health insurance, bank account, visa extensions, etc.(where many schools leave that up to the teacher to take care of).
4. You are NEVER forced to work outside of your scheduled 40 hour work week.
To address the previous replies let me say this:
What most people fail to realize is that when you come to Korea to teach English you are here to work. It�s not a vacation where you work a little on the side. You are an ENGLISH TEACHER which is in fact a job. This is a job not slavery; What company in existence would stay in business if the employees didn�t �bust their asses� (and by �bust their asses� I mean work 40 hours a week) For many teachers here this is their first job out of college and they don�t really know what work is. If you got a job back in the States or Canada you�d have the exact same thing. Think about it: still 40 hours a week but� no vacation until after your first year� a long commute to work� and believe it or not probably lots and lots of OVERTIME!
Finally I�d like to correct the numbers in the first reply by ttompatz
At SUNGBUK-GU SLP teachers work from 1200 to 1680 minutes per week; never as much as the 1800+ he claimed. Currently among the 18 foreign teachers they all teach within 3-4 working hours of each other per week. Foreign teachers are given 3 days of sick leave. While that is not many, at the same time it is not zero days as he had mentioned. In response to the 4-6 weeks vacation time, he probably forgot to mention that in exception for a university job which requires experience, certifications and connections (not a typical first job here for a college graduate) which offers that much time off, you�ll have to do summer English camps during your 4-6 week �vacation�, so don�t get a one month tour of Asia planned in your head for your vacation because you�ll still have to report to work every day. The 10 days paid vacation here are strategically placed using holidays and weekends to make a summer and winter vacation both 9-10 days long.
Sungbuk-gu SLP is a good place to work. It�s dependable, and honest, and that�s why I�m still here.


You sir are bearing false witness, and happen to be korean. Please Try again.
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Wes
I work across the street from this SLP and know several people who work there of which I know 2 that are resigning their contracts. Frankly, it's run a hell of a lot better than the Hagwon I work at now
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TimothyWilkinson



Joined: 26 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: SLP Reply with quote

Another thread about SLP schools...

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1536913
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please stop resurrecting old threads. Search Functions work fine.
As does Google.
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