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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| At my school there appears to be one extra boy's class per grade and boy's classes tend to be bigger (which is one reason why their behaviour is worse), so yes, there appears to be a gender imbalance. |
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Ekaia
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for ruining Christmas but didn't you know about the disturbing gender imbalance here???
There's an estimated 30 million excess men in China and about
500,000 extra men or missing girls in Korea. Number could be higher.
Just take a look around. They are everywhere, the excess men. Literally everywhere smoking and drinking and spitting. On the countryside we have the so called ghost towns; small towns with only old people and men. Korean men import wives from China and Vietnam every day.
There's a huge and disturbing sex ratio imbalance in South Korea.
Social unrest is on its ways. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| A long time ago they used to kill the girl babys after being born. now they can do it before. people. |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sex ratios
Korea at birth 1.08 male(s)/female
Aus at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.K. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.S. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Canada at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Ireland at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Germany at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Italy at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Iran at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Colombia at birth: 1.03 male(s)/female
China at birth: 1.11 male(s)/female
Not much difference there folks....
But feel free to keep banging on.
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Ratio of males to females in Korea |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
I think it depends, as others have noted. I'd be willing to bet that the higher the academic level, the better the female representation.
in my technical highschool, it's about 95% boys.
some classes are 100% boys. |
My Tech HS is about 80% girls. Some classes are 100% girls. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Ratio of males to females in Korea |
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| Easter Clark wrote: |
| bogey666 wrote: |
I think it depends, as others have noted. I'd be willing to bet that the higher the academic level, the better the female representation.
in my technical highschool, it's about 95% boys.
some classes are 100% boys. |
My Tech HS is about 80% girls. Some classes are 100% girls. |
wow! I would have never believed that! I wonder how they determine the makeup of each school. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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"World population gender ratio" google result #1:
http://www.xist.org/earth/pop_gender.aspx
Data is for 2006. Interesting.
China.. 1,328,629,911..... 686,152,607 .... 642,477,304 .... 107
Hong Kong .. 7,206,088.... 3,454,181 ... 3,751,907... 92
India... 1,169,015,510 ... 604,989,806... 564,025,704 .... 107
Indonesia.... 231,626,979... 115,682,000 ... 115,944,979 ... 100
Japan ... 127,966,710... 62,471,216 ... 65,495,494 ... 95
Korea, Dem. People's Rep. of .. 23,790,241 ... 11,737,295 ... 12,052,946 ... 97
Kuwait ... 2,851,144... 1,708,852... 1,142,292... 150
Qatar... 840,634 ... 563,253 ... 277,381... 203
Republic of Korea ... 48,223,854 ... 24,096,446 ... 24,127,408 ... 100
Russian Federation ... 142,498,534 ... 65,953,380 ... 76,545,154 ... 86
United Arab Emirates... 4,380,439... 2,966,118 ..... 1,414,321 ... 210
United Kingdom... 60,768,942 ... 29,774,365... 30,994,577 ... 96
United States of America ... 305,826,244... 150,508,013 ... 155,318,231... 97
World ... 6,671,226,464... 3,360,742,758 ... 3,310,483,706 ... 102
source: UN Statistics Division, Department of Economic and Social Affairs. "World Population Prospects: The 2006 Revision". |
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Starla
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Ratio of males to females in Korea |
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| Starla wrote: |
I was testing my students the other day. My co-teacher took the girls and I took the boys. I soon realized that in all of my classes, there were significantly more boys than girls. I decided to do some calculations and the ratio is 72:100 girls to boys. This is disturbing to say the least, especially since I was testing 5th graders. They were born a bit over a decade ago.
I'd be interested to know what the actual statistics are for different age groups and what effect this has had or is projected to have on the Korean population. I think it's a national embarrassment and I wonder if this has been openly discussed by anybody Korean the people on this site have met or by public figures in this country. |
This is an odd post. You say you don't know the actual statistics, but then in the next sentence you pronounce something to be a national embarrassment. What is? That your class doesn't have a lot of girls?
If you wanted to know Korean sex ratios, some basic googling would have been quicker than counting all the kids in your class. |
I teach in a public school. Students are required to attend and they're zoned to the school. So I think the ratio is a close approximation of the male/female sex ratio of the children in that age group in the country. I've heard about selective abortions before. That's what I'm referring to when I say it's a national embarrassment. A 72/100 girl/boy ratio is not normal and it's not just a coincidence. If I googled everything posted on this site then there would be no purpose for this site, would there now? |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Ratio of males to females in Korea |
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| Starla wrote: |
I teach in a public school. Students are required to attend and they're zoned to the school. So I think the ratio is a close approximation of the male/female sex ratio of the children in that age group in the country. |
While you might think so, it isnt. Students in your zone will go to your school, unless they go to a different one, like an academic one. If more girls have gone to those schools, then you will have less at your school.
Given that the stats on birthrates have been posted three times in this thread, I thought that by now you might have realized that you were wrong.
But then again, maybe you havent.
And anyway you dont seem like the sort of person what would let facts get in the way of moral outrage.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| mnhnhyouh wrote: |
Sex ratios
Korea at birth 1.08 male(s)/female
Aus at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.K. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.S. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Canada at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Ireland at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Germany at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Italy at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Iran at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Colombia at birth: 1.03 male(s)/female
China at birth: 1.11 male(s)/female
Not much difference there folks....
But feel free to keep banging on.
h |
Due to higher male infant mortality, the ratios approximately even out at one year of age. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| mnhnhyouh wrote: |
Sex ratios
Korea at birth 1.08 male(s)/female
Aus at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.K. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.S. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Canada at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Ireland at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Germany at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Italy at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Iran at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Colombia at birth: 1.03 male(s)/female
China at birth: 1.11 male(s)/female
Not much difference there folks....
But feel free to keep banging on.
h |
You don't know what you're talking about. You seem determined to downplay this but actually the gender imbalance in China in particular is a pretty big deal and up till recently was a problem in South Korea (in 1990 there was a ratio of 116.5 boys to 100 girls born because of sex-selective abortions). That means among Koreans aged around 18, there is a big gender imbalance.
The difference between 1.05 and 1.11 may not sound much but you have a population the size of China that adds up to a lot of excess males and the figure seems to an underestimate according to other sources. Try reading some more articles on it before making ignorant statements.
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BEIJING - China is asking where all the girls have gone.
And the sobering answer is that this vast nation, now the world's fastest-growing economy, is confronting a self-perpetuated demographic disaster that some experts describe as "gendercide" -- the phenomenon caused by millions of families resorting to abortion and infanticide to make sure their one child was a boy.
The age-old bias for boys, combined with China's draconian one-child policy imposed since 1980, has produced what Gu Baochang, a leading Chinese expert on family planning, described as "the largest, the highest, and the longest" gender imbalance in the world.
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From a relatively normal ratio of 108.5 boys to 100 girls in the early 80s, the male surplus progressively rose to 111 in 1990, 116 in 2000, and is now is close to 120 boys for each 100 girls at the present time, according to a Chinese think-tank report.
The shortage of women is creating a "huge societal issue,� warned U.N. resident coordinator Khalid Malik earlier this year.
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Along with HIV/AIDS and environmental degradation, he said it was one of the three biggest challenges facing China.
"In eight to 10 years, we will have something like 40 to 60 million missing women," he said, adding that it will have "enormous implications" for China's prostitution industry and human trafficking.
China's own population experts have been warning for years about the looming gender crisis.
"The loss of female births due to illegal prenatal sex determination and sex-selective abortions and female infanticide will affect the true sex ratio at birth and at young ages, creating an unbalanced population sex structure in the future and resulting in potentially serious social problems," argued Peking University's chief demographer back in 1993.
Prenatal sex selection
The abortion of female fetuses and infanticide was aided by the spread of cheap and portable ultra-sound scanners in the 1980's. Illegal mobile scanning and backstreet hospitals can provide a sex scan for as little as $50, according to one report.
"Prenatal sex selection was probably the primary cause, if not the sole cause, for the continuous rise of the sex ratio at birth," said population expert Prof. Chu Junhong.
A slew of reports have confirmed the disturbing demographic trend.
* In a 2002 survey conducted in a central China village, more than 300 of the 820 women had abortions and more than a third of them admitted they were trying to select their baby's sex.
* According to a report by the International Planned Parenthood Federation, the vast majority of aborted fetuses, more than 70 percent, were female, citing the abortion of up to 750,000 female fetuses in China in 1999.
* A report by Zhang Qing, population researcher of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the gender imbalance is "statistically related to the high death rate of female babies, with female death rate at age zero in the city or rural areas consistently higher than male baby death rate." Only seven of China's 29 provinces are within the world's average sex ratio. Zhang Qing's report cited eight "disaster provinces" from North to South China, where there were 26 to 38 percent more boys than girls.
* In the last census in 2000, there were nearly 19 million boys more than girls in the 0-15 age group. "We have to act now or the problem will become very serious," said Peking University sociologist Prof. Xia Xueluan. He cited the need to strengthen social welfare system in the countryside to weaken the traditional preference for boys.
Gravity of imbalance beginning to be felt
The hint of "serious" problems ahead can be seen in the increasing cases of human trafficking as bachelors try to "purchase" their wives.
China's police have freed more than 42,000 kidnapped women and children from 2001 to 2003.
The vast army of surplus males could pose a threat to China's stability, argued two Western scholars. Valerie M. Hudson and Andrea M. Den Boer, who recently wrote a book on the "Security Implications of Asia's Surplus Male Population," cited two rebellions in disproportionately male areas in Manchu Dynasty China. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508
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South Korean Boy Baby Preference Declines
Girls provide better care for their parents in old age. Girls also are less likely to run afoul of the law. Girls are less extreme. Yet in many societies (e.g. China and India) ultrasound, selective abortion, and other reproductive technologies are getting used to tilt live births toward boys. However, in South Korea the preference for boys seems to be ending.
In South Korea, once one of Asia�s most rigidly patriarchal societies, a centuries-old preference for baby boys is fast receding. And that has led to what seems to be a decrease in the number of abortions performed after ultrasounds that reveal the sex of a fetus.
According to a study released by the World Bank in October, South Korea is the first of several Asian countries with large sex imbalances at birth to reverse the trend, moving toward greater parity between the sexes. Last year, the ratio was 107.4 boys born for every 100 girls, still above what is considered normal, but down from a peak of 116.5 boys born for every 100 girls in 1990.
Rising status and more career opportunities for women helped reduce the desire for boys.
In some Asian countries the preference for boys is still quite strong.
In China in 2005, the ratio was 120 boys born for every 100 girls, according to the United Nations Population Fund. Vietnam reported a ratio of 110 boys to 100 girls last year. And although India recorded about 108 boys for every 100 girls in 2001, when the last census was taken, experts say the gap is sure to have widened by now.
In some Indian provinces the male to female ratio is much higher.
NEW DELHI: The sex ratio has further declined in the five northern States with Punjab showing the worst results � there were only 527 girls for every 1,000 boys in 2005 as against 754 girls as per the 2001 Census. |
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004878.html |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| mnhnhyouh wrote: |
Sex ratios
Korea at birth 1.08 male(s)/female
Aus at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.K. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
U.S. at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Canada at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Ireland at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Germany at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
Italy at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
Iran at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
Colombia at birth: 1.03 male(s)/female
China at birth: 1.11 male(s)/female
Not much difference there folks....
But feel free to keep banging on.
h |
Due to higher male infant mortality, the ratios approximately even out at one year of age. |
Not true. If that were the case you would expect the number of males and females under 14 to be the same when in fact they're not. There is an excess 400,000 or so males:
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| 0-14 years: 17.4% (male 4,431,315/female 4,004,810) |
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html |
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