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seosan08

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as.... |
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Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as world unravels
Gold is poised for a dramatic surge and could blast through $2,000 an ounce by the end of next year as central banks flood the world's monetary system with liquidity, according to an internal client note from the US bank Citigroup.
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
26 Nov 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3526645/Citigroup-says-gold-could-rise-above-2000-next-year-as-world-unravels.html
The bank said the damage caused by the financial excesses of the last quarter century was forcing the world's authorities to take steps that had never been tried before.
This gamble was likely to end in one of two extreme ways: with either a resurgence of inflation; or a downward spiral into depression, civil disorder, and possibly wars. Both outcomes will cause a rush for gold.
"They are throwing the kitchen sink at this," said Tom Fitzpatrick, the bank's chief technical strategist.
"The world is not going back to normal after the magnitude of what they have done. When the dust settles this will either work, and the money they have pushed into the system will feed though into an inflation shock.
"Or it will not work because too much damage has already been done, and we will see continued financial deterioration, causing further economic deterioration, with the risk of a feedback loop. We don't think this is the more likely outcome, but as each week and month passes, there is a growing danger of vicious circle as confidence erodes," he said.
"This will lead to political instability. We are already seeing countries on the periphery of Europe under severe stress. Some leaders are now at record levels of unpopularity. There is a risk of domestic unrest, starting with strikes because people are feeling disenfranchised."
"What happens if there is a meltdown in a country like Pakistan, which is a nuclear power. People react when they have their backs to the wall. We're already seeing doubts emerge about the sovereign debts of developed AAA-rated countries, which is not something you can ignore," he said.
Gold traders are playing close attention to reports from Beijing that the China is thinking of boosting its gold reserves from 600 tonnes to nearer 4,000 tonnes to diversify away from paper currencies. "If true, this is a very material change," he said.
Mr Fitzpatrick said Britain had made a mistake selling off half its gold at the bottom of the market between 1999 to 2002. "People have started to question the value of government debt," he said.
Citigroup said the blast-off was likely to occur within two years, and possibly as soon as 2009. Gold was trading yesterday at $812 an ounce. It is well off its all-time peak of $1,030 in February but has held up much better than other commodities over the last few months � reverting to is historical role as a safe-haven store of value and a de facto currency.
Gold has tripled in value over the last seven years, vastly outperforming Wall Street and European bourses. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as |
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seosan08 wrote: |
Gold has tripled in value over the last seven years, vastly outperforming Wall Street and European bourses. |
That's called cherry picking. Why not compare gold to Wall Street over the last, oh, say, 28 years? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
seosan08 wrote: |
Gold has tripled in value over the last seven years, vastly outperforming Wall Street and European bourses. |
That's called cherry picking. Why not compare gold to Wall Street over the last, oh, say, 28 years? |
Or, you could look at gold in the post-Volker era. He alone killed inflation and brought gold back down to earth. If there is no Volker in our future, gold will dramatically increase in value. |
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Join Me

Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Who is Citigroup? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Join Me wrote: |
Who is Citigroup? |
An organization with a solid forecasting track record..
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The New York Times chronicles a now-familiar tale of incompetence and greed that led to the (all but) destruction of a legendary global financial services firm:
* Oblivious CEO (Chuck Prince)
* Idiot risk manager who assured oblivious CEO that everything was great until the day it wasn't (David Bushnell)
* Inadequate risk controls, wet-noodle risk managers pushed around by big swinging dicks who made 100X as much money
* Trading boss incented to bet the farm every day and make tens of millions doing it with no downside if wrong: (Okay, minor inconvenience if wrong: lose job, go get another). Not hard to figure out how to play that one. (Thomas Maheras).
The difference in Citigroup's case is that the decision-making included Bob Rubin, the former Treasury Secretary, who is a Citi director and a key senior adviser.
Rubin was not intimately involved in the firm's trading decisions, and, given the pathetic state of the firm's risk controls, it's possible he did not appreciate how much risk the firm was taking. That said, given Rubin's experience, the revelations that he was very much in the loop are startling.
In April, Rubin told the NYT that he did not believe he had made any mistakes in his tenure at Citi:
'I've thought a lot about that,' he said. 'I honestly don't know. In hindsight, there are a lot of things we'd do differently. But in the context of the facts as I knew them and my role, I'm inclined to think probably not.'
We are big believers in Rubin's astute observation that you have to judge the quality of decisions by what you knew at the time you made them, not by their outcome.
That said, Citigroup's demise is not an act of God, and we think it's fair to say that major global banks shouldn't go from $245 billion to toast in a year in the normal course of business. So we think it's fair to say that someone at Citi screwed up. Big time.
And we would be surprised if, over the next few years, someone of Bob Rubin's talent and intelligence didn't come to believe that he and Citi made some mistakes even based on what they knew at the time. (And they certainly have plenty of company.) |
http://clusterstock.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/how-citigroup-c-blew-itself-up
I don't think we can really take what they have to say seriously. |
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