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Korean Tours to Guam for U.S. Citizenship Babies Uncovered!
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exit86



Joined: 17 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what is largely at issue here is the idea of national pride versus national shame. Striving to obtain citizenship for your child in a country in which you yourself are not a citizen is absurd. (My wife and I are Canadian citizens, but we want our baby girl to be a citizen of the far-off country of Sweden . . . . what?????) What are you saying about your real home country: It isn't good enough, it is inferior, it is lacking in enough ways to motivate this huge expenditure of time, money, and effort. For all the pride that Koreans claim to have for their homeland, how are such instances justified?
You are what you are; only someone ashamed of themselves pretends to be someone they aren't.

I say change the wording of the law as well, just to avoid such silliness.
How about a mandatory period of stay prior to the birth, or being under
a US obstetrician's care for at least 6 months or something . . .
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: It's Not Illegal Reply with quote

The article below says that the websites that provide born-in-USA babies in Guam are perfectly legal. So for those who dislike the practice, there is nothing you can do about it. No laws are being broken.

See the article below or at http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081031/NEWS01/810310312&s=d&page=4#pluckcomments .

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Web sites aren't breaking any laws

October 31, 2008

By Bryan C. Sualog
Pacific Daily News

The soliciting of pregnant women to come to the island to have their baby so it can have U.S. citizenship is not only limited to Guam.

The Web site www.babysaipan.com -- with facilities in Garapan, Saipan -- offers similar services to expectant mothers from Korea, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

The Web sites www.guambaby.com and www.americanbaby.co.kr were advertising the services on Guam for Korean women.

According to the Web site, www.babysaipan.com charges from $40,000 for a two-month stay in a regular room and up to $50,000 for a two-month stay in a luxury room. The accommodations include a maid, daily meals, telephone and wireless Internet access, air-conditioning, and a baby bed.

All packages include the following: a birth certificate for the newborn; passport expertise for the newborn; a social security card; a translator; and transportation services.

When calls were made to the Saipan number listed on the Web site, the person who answered hung up.

The Web sites www.guambaby.com and www.americanbaby.co.kr had photos posted of facilities available on Guam, including housing accommodations, Guam Memorial Hospital, and clinics.

The site www.guambaby.com went down yesterday and the site www.americanbaby.co.kr went down on Wednesday.

"We've been hearing about these things for years," said Lori Haley, spokeswoman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Western Region Public Affairs Office in Los Angeles. "I remember hearing about this almost five years ago."

"It's really not against the law for folks to get on a plane and fly here. If they're doing things the right way and if they're admissible, they can come into the country."

Immigration and Customs Enforcement would only get involved and investigate if it got any tips that there was some kind of immigration fraud, visa fraud, or lying on the applications.

Haley said the same thing applied to companies, if the companies weren't breaking any laws and were making money like any legitimate tour operator. "Unless it was found to be that for some reason, the tour operators were in cahoots about helping people falsify documents to get their visas and examples like that."

Source: Pacific Daily News; October 31, 2008; http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081031/NEWS01/810310312&s=d&page=4#pluckcomments


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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Japan (like Korea) pretty racialist in its view of citizenship, ie no automatic citizenship? What's the draw of going to Japan to pop out a kid?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
Isn't Japan (like Korea) pretty racialist in its view of citizenship, ie no automatic citizenship? What's the draw of going to Japan to pop out a kid?


I've heard stories of foreigners trying to get citizenship in Japan. Immigration would randomly come to your house and search your refridgerator to see if you are eating Japanese Food.
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