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Absolutely disgusting verdict in teen rape case.
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

mzeno wrote:

Obviously the judge also suffers from an "intellectual disability," but I fail to see how this reflects uniquely on Korean culture. Pedophile priests were protected by the Catholic church for years and years in the US. I'm afraid it's more an indictment of human nature than anything else.

Pedo priests were protected from within. These uncles have been protected by a judge. It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice.

Exactly.

mzeno

Joined: 12 Oct 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject:

endo wrote:

You are called Captain Corea (with the "C" I might add) and you do have a history of being a homer apologist from time to time.
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I think that you, and some other posters as well, have confused Captain Corea with Superhero. Superhero is the one who's just a little too quick to label any criticism of Korea as "racist." I find Captain Corea to be much more balanced and sensible than Homer ever was.

Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject:

mzeno wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Easy. A lot of offenses here never make it to the books. They are solved through "blood money" or other informal means, and there are no records. In North America, everything is documented. You are also far more likely to be taken to the police station than here. For example, I've seen people here shove police officers, and the officers just stand there and do nothing at all. In North America, you would be immediately taken to the police station in handcuffs.

seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:

mzeno wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Because a very large portion of crimes that occur in this country never get reported, or if they are reported are never put on the books. Like many things in Korea, it looks good on the surface, but dig a little bit and you get dirty in a hurry.

Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

The "I'm-so-old-and-sick-so-have-mercy" defense has plenty of precedent in South Korea.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c6d4351e-60c8-11dc-8ec0-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

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Wheelchairs seem to be the vehicle of choice for South Korean tycoons who find themselves in a spot of bother.

Lee Kun-hee, the chairman of Samsung, last year rolled back into Korea in a shiny silver number. < cut > Mr Lee was never questioned aboutthe case, which seems now to have gone away.

Chung Mong-koo, the boss of Hyundai Motor, was wheeled into court for his trial on charges of embezzling $100m of company money and breach of trust, also related to attempts to transfer the family business to his son.

He last week had his three-year jail sentence suspended, with the judge saying the country needed him back in the office.

Kim Seung-youn, chairman of the Hanwha explosives conglomerate, yesterday went one better, showing up at court in not just a wheelchair but in hospital pyjamas as well.

Only a few months ago, Mr Kim was well enough to participate in a Godfather-style attack involving a steelbar, his bodyguards and some karaoke room workers who were mean to his son.

However, yesterday his 18-month prison term for assault was also suspended.

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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject:

mzeno wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Because social order in Korea and also Japan is mainly socially enforced (Confucianism, strict social order, hierarchical society) whereas in Western societies it's institutionally enforced (highly developed legal system, police)

I don't think Western societies would do as well as Korea is doing without a decent legal framework.

It's conceivable that Korea could function pretty much the way it currently is if you suddenly took the police and the courts away (of course there would be a crime increase, but I believe it wouldn't be dramatic, well, not as dramatic as in the West.) Try that in the US and the UK and you have a complete breakdown of society.

And yes, there is a lot of crime in Korea that you don;t see. However social order is not reliant upon the legal system, whereas we would have Bedlam in the UK with all the chavs, robberies and violence.

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

hugekebab wrote:

mzeno wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Make guns easily accessible to Koreans, and we'd probably hear about shootings everyday.

NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

I understood the ruling, with the limited information provided in the English news, to be affected by the situation of the victim. Apparently orphaned, and with no one to take care of her, the judge decided to put her back with the molesters rather than have her out on the street.

I personally would have liked to know if there was some way in which there could be a monetary penalty levied against the rapists so as to have the victim's needs taken care of.

So yeah, I understood in part why the judge ruled the way he did - as far as I can figure, the young girl has no other means of support (including from the Gov)... but I would hope to hell that some other option steps forward.

As well, I hope that the appeal overturns this ruling.

You talk about the 'facts being laid out as clear as day' in this case... but they are not. In fact, the details of this case are extremely limited in the articles provided - and I'm somewhat glad for that. I don't want (nor need) to know all the facts of the case.

I am curious as to how these people obtained custody of the minor. As well, I'd really like to know what services (private or otherwise) that could step in to help this girl out.

Are you sure you know all the facts of this case? Are you sure that you know every detail pertaining to this girl's situation?

Keep your fucking comment jackass, I'll be sure to be calling you out on this forum every time you make asinine comments like you've done above.

See, you understand, as in "see the logic" behind the girl being released to her rapists.

I don't.

Scotticus

Joined: 18 Mar 2007

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

Let me make it clear to you once again Scotticus - saying that you understand something is not the same as saying that you agree with it. Are you really that unable to comprehend this simple part of the English language?

Ok, I'll slow this down for you, CC. If you see logic where there is none, then something not working correctly in your brain. This is clear as day, man. Are you trying to tell me that it makes even a tiny iota of sense to send a disabled rape victim back to her tormentors?

Are you telling me that the entire nation of South Korea - one of the largest economies on the planet - has not ONE single charity group/foundation/government organization that could handle this girl's care?

hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:16 am Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

hugekebab wrote:

mzeno wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

.

How could a country, as you say, 'with very little rule of law,' also have one of the lowest crime rates -per capita- on the planet?

Make guns easily accessible to Koreans, and we'd probably hear about shootings everyday.

Well admittedly they do have a tendency here/asia for the 'bottle it all up for 30 years then snap' kind of crazy crime. But general crime would remain low. I haven;t seen a punch up in the year I've been here; back home in a small well-off city I saw a few a month; usually as the result of alcohol. Low level social disorder would not occur here.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:01 am Post subject:

NoExplode wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

See, you understand, as in "see the logic" behind the girl being released to her rapists.

I don't.

That is what you were supposed to say the first time, not hurl the uncalled for epithet you did.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

NoExplode wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

See, you understand, as in "see the logic" behind the girl being released to her rapists.

I don't.

That is what you were supposed to say the first time, not hurl the uncalled for epithet you did.

Yup, would have been nice.

Scotticus wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

It makes "sense" only if there are no other options. (and even still, it is disgusting)

Would you mind listing all of the agencies that you know of that would take her?

And this goes back to what I said - this article is lacking details. For some reason you (and a few other posters here) seem to think they know everything about this case. I'd like to remind you of the source here... the Korean media. How often have you found them reliable?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

mzeno wrote:

Quote:

Pedo priests were protected from within. These uncles have been protected by a judge. It's an indictment of a society with very little rule of law, in practice

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I'm curious. What country is the benchmark for the 'rule of law?'

Indeed. And I would like to know how one person can be considered "an indictment of a society"

asylum seeker

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

kimchi_pizza wrote:

asylum seeker wrote:

Quote:

The court added it took the accused people's old age and illness into consideration.

The grandfather is 87 so I can understand him not having to go to jail to a certain extent. However the uncles are 57, 42 and 39 according to the petition. What a joke.

Let's see....the old monster didn't take into cosideration the girl's age and mental illness, and a grandfather no less yet the courts should take pity on him due to his age and physical health......yea.....I can see the logic....

Even if the bastard's in the guiness book of records for oldest living man, I'd still castrate the m.f.er. 'Least he can be in the oldest castrated living man category.

Don't misunderstand me. I think the old guy deserves punishment just as much as the others, only that if he is ill and 87 he may not be able to serve much of a jail term anyway. All of them deserve life sentences in my opinion.

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