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Would you circumsise your male child?
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While i don't doubt the child feels pain when the circumcision takes place, I have to ask how many of us men remember the pain that may have been afflicted?
Not trying to use the loss of memory as an excuse, but I think thats the logical answer. This is a ritual, religous or not that has been performed for thousands of years and now scientific evidence finds it may be hygenically better to get it done.
If its needed or not i'll leave to the scientists and religious buffs.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gotta ask man, are you a parent? /quote]

Captain Cor, you strike me as a ravin' queen, no ways a parent.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course you could have just purchased the right type of ointment.


well I went to the doctor about the issue and we tried various things. None tp my complete satisfaction.

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I can't really fathom that one.


Easy to fathom. I wasn't able to last as long as I would have liked.

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The weird thing about male genital mutilation is that the establishment seems determined to concoct bogus medical reasons for it. For example, back in the Victorian era the medical establishment advocated it to prevent chronic masturbation, which was "proven" to cause all manner of disorders from epilepsy to blindness. If this had been proposed at any other time people would have fallen about laughing, but the Victorians took this crap seriously. Then when cancer became a major issue in the twentieth century, genital mutilation was advocated because "studies had shown" a link between being un-mutilated and cancer of the *beep*. Now they're on to the AIDS bogosity. If you follow the history of it, it's fairly clear that the quack medical system is just playing on whatever panic is fashionable at a given moment. No doubt if in the future people come to believe in curses from evil forest elves, "studies will show" that genital mutilation wards off those.


I didn't snip myself for mutilation purposes and you also obviously don't read, I clearly say at the end of my post that just because my choice was right for ME (and it was) that doesn't mean it would be right for anyone else, even my OWN offspring.

My personal preference would probably be not to snip,

and re the AIDS/circumcision stats -- they're right there, easy for you to look thru. Indisputable.

I never suggested using that as a reason whether to do it or not and it certainly never entered my personal equation since I got snipped long before that data came out (which is fairly recently)
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, because uncut really is better for the woman... but my husband would probably insist his son be circumcised.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifty wrote:
I've gotta ask man, are you a parent? /quote]

Captain Cor, you strike me as a ravin' queen, no ways a parent.


Not sure about your insult here man... is it a sexual thing or are you just trying to imagine me as a drag queen.

Either way, yes, I am a parent. And there's no bloody way that I'd 'give my kid a swig of alcohol to numb the pain'.

So, do you have any more insults for me, or are you actually going to try to say someting constructive next time?
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be more temperate in yr posts and you won't get insulted. And a teaspoonful is not a swig, typical of yr mouthing off hysteria..
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Omkara wrote:
Next question: Should the father get stronger voice in the choice?


It depends on whose opinion is more correct.


LOL!

Only if the father is the one who's going to be regularly peeling back the foreskin and cleaning under there when the kid is too young to do it himself. Yucky!
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Routine infant circumcision is a medically unnecessary, barbaric procedure performed upon helpless, non-consenting males without the benefit of anesthesia. Any medical benefits have been debunked, and the pretext of hygiene is absolutely ludicrous as the same can be achieved by routine washing with soap and water.

I find it ironically ludicrous that if a stranger were to caress an infant boy's member, he would be branded a child molester and sentenced to a long prison term, yet if another took a knife to it and cut off perfectly healthy tissue, not only does he not suffer for it, but he actually gets paid to do it!

The United States is the only major Western country which continues to routinely genitally mutilate its newborn males, although the proportion has decreased signficantly in recent decades to around 55% now. It is expected to decrease further as insurance companies increasingly drop coverage for this unindicated medical procedure.

Most major pediatric associations do not recommend it:

American Academy Of Pediatrics Releases New Circumcision Policy
Science Daily (Mar. 2, 1999) � CHAPEL HILL - After analysis of almost 40 years of medical research on circumcision, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued new recommendations today (March 1) stating that the benefits are not significant enough for the AAP to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure. The new policy statement is being published in this month's issue of Pediatrics, the journal of the AAP.

RECOMMENDATION: Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed. VALIDATION: This recommendation is in keeping with previous statements on neonatal circumcision by the Canadian Paediatric Society and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The statement was reviewed by the Infectious Disease Committee of the Canadian Paediatric Society. The Board of Directors of the Canadian Paediatric Society has reviewed its content and approved it for publication.

While there are few medical indications for it, (and I am in favor of it when medically indicated, such as in cases of phimosis), there are many reasons against it. It can lead to direct complications, from bleeding, infection, all the way to penectomy (The "boy raised as a girl," as seen on Oprah, had his *beep* completely amputated after a botched circumcision, and his is not the only case), and even death.

Is circumcision painful?

Yes. Circumcision is extremely painful - and traumatic - for a baby. Just being strapped down is frightening for a baby. The often repeated statement that babies can't feel pain is not true. Babies are as sensitive to pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their foreskin is cut off. Some defecate. Some lapse into a coma. The reason some babies don't cry when they are circumcised, is that they can't cry because they are in a state of shock. Most babies are circumcised without anesthesia. Anesthetics injected into the *beep* don't always work. Being stuck with a needle in the *beep* is itself painful for a baby, just as if would be for anyone else. Babies are rarely given pain medicatiion right after they are circumcised or during the week to ten days it takes for the wound to heal. Pain medication is not always effective and is never 100% effective.

How is Circumcision Done?

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Most parents don't know what is actually done to a baby when he is circumcised. The baby is placed spread-eagle on his back on a board and his arms and legs are strapped down so that he can't move. His genitals are scrubbed and covered with antiseptic. His foreskin is torn from the glans and slit lengthwise so that the circumcision instrument can be inserted. Then his foreskin is cut off.

Most parents who see what is done to a baby when he is circumcised and how he reacts decide against circumcision and let their baby keep his foreskin intact.


Cornfed is absolutely right about moving the medical goalposts throughout the history of circumcision.

Cornfed wrote:
The weird thing about male genital mutilation is that the establishment seems determined to concoct bogus medical reasons for it. For example, back in the Victorian era the medical establishment advocated it to prevent chronic masturbation, which was "proven" to cause all manner of disorders from epilepsy to blindness. If this had been proposed at any other time people would have fallen about laughing, but the Victorians took this crap seriously. Then when cancer became a major issue in the twentieth century, genital mutilation was advocated because "studies had shown" a link between being un-mutilated and cancer of the *beep*. Now they're on to the AIDS bogosity. If you follow the history of it, it's fairly clear that the quack medical system is just playing on whatever panic is fashionable at a given moment. No doubt if in the future people come to believe in curses from evil forest elves, "studies will show" that genital mutilation wards off those.


The Medicalization of Circumcision greatly expands upon that.

By circumsizing your infant son without medical indication, you are risking his health, possible even his life, and condemning him to a lifetime of decreased sexual pleasure.

There is no more justification to do it in prepubertal males, as is customary in Korea, with the slight advantage that in this age boys can tolerate anesthesia, but that still does not justify this medically unnecessary procedure.

For a good, bilingual treatment of Korean circumcision, visit www.pop119.com.

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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
shifty wrote:
I've gotta ask man, are you a parent? /quote]

Captain Cor, you strike me as a ravin' queen, no ways a parent.


Not sure about your insult here man... is it a sexual thing or are you just trying to imagine me as a drag queen.

Either way, yes, I am a parent. And there's no bloody way that I'd 'give my kid a swig of alcohol to numb the pain'.

So, do you have any more insults for me, or are you actually going to try to say someting constructive next time?


not a good parent, just awful really.
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