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| The Cons are doing fine. Libs will abstain from the vote. |
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| Canadians will go to the polls AGAIN. |
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| Left-wing parties will form a coalition. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: Canadian politics |
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What's up with these crazy Canadians? This just in:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5j-vaw1H_MNCsBEEmjJaOuSu_dRSQ
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| OTTAWA � The Conservative government says an incendiary plan to strip political parties of their public financing won't be included in a confidence vote on the fall fiscal update. |
Which is too bad; I would have loved to see these wiener politicians stripped of my hard-earned cash. I firmly believe that the ONLY reason the Liberals, NDP, and the Bloc aren't supporting the fiscal update is because they will lose their funding.
And so they should:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/polls/political-subsidies.html
Why, after 40 years, does the NDP still struggle to attract voters and donors?
More importantly, what's going to happen on Monday? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Have you seen the LATEST crazy BS?? I just dropped my wife off at work and was listening to cbc when I heard about this:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/28/fed-govt.html. Tough to concentrate but wow, now THAT would be some serious pot stirring.
In the run up to the election, all those same parties were absolutely SLAMMING the Cons for their lack of plan or vision on the brand new economic crisis. They had NO plans, constantly repeating that Canada will escape this crisis with minimal damage.
They didn't even release their platform until a week BEFORE election date. Luckily it was relatively short.
It's about time something interesting happened in Canadian politics. Someone better quickly think up a slogan that is at least as catchy as "Unite the Right". |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| How about "Screw the Right"? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Canadian politics are wonderfully silly. Just think about the chaos: if the minority parties decide they want to take over, that would be with the Liberals at the helm. So who gets to be Prime Minister? Well, they're going to have a leadership convention so if Ignatieff is chosen that will enrage Rae fans, or they could go with someone safe like Goodale and all of a sudden Canadians would wake up to Prime Minister Goodale, brought into power over an attempt to cut $30 million from the budget (one that has already been withdrawn) and with a mandate to change a $100 million surplus into a huge deficit in order to finance a stimulus package.
What's even funnier is that the first proposal is that the NDP would get cabinet sets in the coalition (even though they have the least number of seats) while the Bloc would just support everybody. I'm sure the Bloc would just love that. To get them on their side they might have to give cabinet positions to people devoted to the breakup of the country.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081127/Tories_fiscal_081128/20081128?hub=TopStories
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| "Under this deal the Liberals would form the government, the NDP would sit in it with cabinet seats and the Bloc Quebecois would support this new NDP-Liberal coalition from outside the government," said Fife. |
Yeaaaah, that'll work.  |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| liberal coalition baby !!!! its about time, but, its a terrible time for this to happen with dion still there. He should pack his bags and get outtaa thurr. This harper loser better just us a sick stimulus package instead of cutting every program known to canada. He has lied about everything regarding the economy, nice knowing ya harper. This message has been paid for, and approved by, Jack Layton and the New Democrats! A new kind of strong! =) |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes Sharkey. A coalition government that needs the Bloc for support and has the NDP with cabinet positions will be stable. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I actually don't mind Ignatieff, though his book The Rights Revolution is downright scary from the standpoint of national cohesion. But Canada is a sensible country and as we've seen with the muslim misuse of the HRC's (which will be gone soon, or at least section 13) Canadians will pull the country back to normalcy from lunacy. However, the NDP with the finance portfolio during a time of profound economic crises could be an epic, historical disaster.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/11/28/john-ivison-a-scarier-alternative-is-now-very-possible.aspx
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John Ivison: A scarier alternative is now very possible
Posted: November 28, 2008, 7:00 PM by Ronald Nurwisah
John Ivison, Canadian politics
So you thought Stephen Harper was scary? How does the prospect of Prime Minister St�phane Dion and Finance Minister Jack Layton grab you?
Incredible and truly alarming as it might seem, it is now a very real possibility. The Liberals have posted four opposition day motions on the order paper, one of which calls for a vote of no-confidence in the government. Liberal sources said they fully intended to bring forward that motion on Monday, blasting the government�s handling of the economic crisis and saying that they believe they can form a viable alternative government, with the help of the other opposition parties. At that point, it would be up to the Governor-General as to whether she gives the opposition parties to chance to form a government. Constitutional experts say that eventuality is possible, if not probable.
A chastened-looking Mr. Harper appeared in the foyer of the House of Commons Friday night saying he was delaying the prospect of an opposition confidence vote by one week but while this might buy him time, it will only postpone his day of reckoning.
Whether we have a new government depends, in part, on the NDP and the Bloc Qu�b�cois. An NDP spokesman said no deal has yet been struck with the Liberals but admitted that his party also wants to see the back of the Harper government. Mr. Layton is said to be lobbying hard to win the finance and environment portfolios for his party. If he�s successful, three guesses who�d have their hands on the nation�s purse-strings.
Gilles Duceppe said on Friday that he has no ambitions to run Canada � no surprise, given his stated ambition is to dismantle it. But he did say he was talking to the other parties and would support any coalition that introduced policies that were good for Quebec.
Mr. Harper reacted like the boy who pokes the dog with a stick and then complains about being bitten. �The Opposition is working on an agreement in back corridors to reverse the result of the last election, without the consent of voters...They want to put in place as prime minister someone [St�phane Dion] who was rejected by the voters of Canada only six weeks ago.�
Mr. Harper has only himself to blame for his dilemma. It seems highly unlikely that we would be in this sorry state had his hubris not pushed him to try to beggar the opposition parties by cutting their public subsidy.
The Liberals say that their visceral reaction has nothing to do with political funding issue and that the primary concern is the lack of stimulus in the fiscal update that Finance Minister, Jim Flaherty, brought down this week. �[Mr. Harper] said in Peru that it�s time for major fiscal stimulus but while he speaks like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, he acts like Calvin Coolidge,� said Liberal MP, John McCallum.
Whatever their protestations, there�s a good rule of thumb that says when an MP tells you it�s not about the money, it�s about the principle, then it�s really about the money. The government has already said that it will bring down a budget within a matter of weeks and that there will be fiscal stimulus in that budget. Quite how a period of political instability, perhaps including a general election, would expedite that process remains unclear.
What is becoming clear is that Mr. Harper�s power grab has rebounded on him. It led Jack Layton to ask former NDP leader, Ed Broadbent, to get in touch with former Liberal prime minister, Jean Chr�tien, and see if there was any common ground between the parties. It turns out there was � everyone wanted to get rid of Mr. Harper. Having reached that conclusion, the idea gained momentum and now Mr. Harper�s fate is no longer in his own hands.
The result is the kind of panic within government more normally associated with the stock market. Staff are contemplating the loss of their jobs just before Christmas and fingers of blame are starting to point at the Langevin Block that houses Mr. Harper and his new chief of staff, Guy Giorno, a veteran of the uber-partisan Mike Harris government in Ontario.
There have been suggestions that Mr. Harper is deliberately engineering his own demise, so that the Liberals inherit government just as the economy troughs. This should be dismissed as a conspiracy theory too far � the Prime Minister enjoys governing and he may not survive the recrimination that would surely follow his government�s downfall.
His only consolation may be that, if the Liberals and the NDP do form a coalition, the Grits will immediately be forced to lurch to the left, leaving the political centre wide open for the Conservatives in any future election. Even to be discussing another election in the futur proche induces nausea. All over Parliament Hill, seasoned journalists who thought they�d seen it all, were huddled, trying to convince each other that we can�t possibly be on the brink of another campaign. Of course, if it comes soon, we�ll all be watching it on CBC, since no news organization will be able to afford to cover it.
Canadians must be observing this and thinking Parliament has jumped the shark. One MP admitted he�d just been called by a Bay Street bank president frantic about news reports that Mr. Layton, who advocates cancelling $50-billion in corporate tax cuts, is about to become Finance Minister. Should it come to pass, would the last person to leave Canada please turn out the lights. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Yes Sharkey. A coalition government that needs the Bloc for support and has the NDP with cabinet positions will be stable. |
ndp for life baby!!! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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We will have to agree to disagree on that, Sharkey.
Anyhow, Harper shat the bed on this. Canada does not need this kind of instability right now. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hearing the Cons say they're "playing politics"...what unbelievable BS. I hope they form the government just so there's a majority and *beep* can get done.
What would be IDEAL is if party lines weren't soo damn deep. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
Hearing the Cons say they're "playing politics"...what unbelievable BS. I hope they form the government just so there's a majority and *beep* can get done.
What would be IDEAL is if party lines weren't soo damn deep. |
we all could just swing to the left = ) |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Cutting off the opposition's funding was a catalyst. In hindsight, the Cons realize that they should have considered this beforehand. It was reckless. And now we are faced with the possibility of a coalition majority government helmed by.. Stephane Dion? Or possibly Iggy? With help from the NDP in finance and environment? This will be catastrophic. This would be a bunch of foolish sharkeys running our country. Thank alla that most Canadians are against this coalition; hopefully they'll bicker it to death, but you would be surprised what politicians would compromise in exchange for power.
I am a staunch conservative, but am very unhappy with Stephen Harper's political game-playing. I donated generously to his party:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=50d0344f-95bb-4e73-8a9b-9c3da73d4321
How much did some of you left wing hippies donate to your parties? |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
Cutting off the opposition's funding was a catalyst. In hindsight, the Cons realize that they should have considered this beforehand. It was reckless. And now we are faced with the possibility of a coalition majority government helmed by.. Stephane Dion? Or possibly Iggy? With help from the NDP in finance and environment? This will be catastrophic. This would be a bunch of foolish sharkeys running our country. Thank alla that most Canadians are against this coalition; hopefully they'll bicker it to death, but you would be surprised what politicians would compromise in exchange for power.
I am a staunch conservative, but am very unhappy with Stephen Harper's political game-playing. I donated generously to his party:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=50d0344f-95bb-4e73-8a9b-9c3da73d4321
How much did some of you left wing hippies donate to your parties? |
ahhhh, a right winger who dignifies himself by the amount of money he/she possesses, how refreshing. Why would people need to give money to political parties? Does it make you feel better that you gave money to a poltical party? Does this make you above the rest of citizens who vote, but, dont hand over money to their parties? What about the people who are on fixed incomes and just cant afford to give money, does this their vote count as a half ?
left wingers are hippies eh? lol.. good lord man, get off your high horse, slap yourself in the face and wake up. Conservatism, i think will continue to decline, because its the rich people who usually vote conservative and as job losses and our economy goes to shit, as well as exporting jobs, inflation on basic necessities etc etc .... all these pompous self righteous right wingers will come knocking on the doors of the left.
I am by no means poor, nor rich. I am middle class, my family is middle class and I voted conservative 2 elections ago. I tthink that the social system such as unemployment insurance is awful in the country, as the number of unemployed goes up, insurance stays steady or goes down. I am blessed enough to have the resources to do as I please for the most part, however, if the situation was reversed and I was in the poor house for some reason I would hope other Canadians and the PM would help me out in my time of need. I think its important to treat everyone equally, not how kimbop is treats people, based on money.
Jack Layton - A new kind of strong ! ^^ |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems that events south of the border have demonstrated the idea that conservatives are fiscally sound compared with the left is nowadays a myth. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
| It seems that events south of the border have demonstrated the idea that conservatives are fiscally sound compared with the left is nowadays a myth. |
Has the Harper government been much different?
Anyways, there is "left" like the Liberal Party and then there are the NDP loons. |
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