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So you have 90 grand to invest in the stock market...
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NQP



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you invest it. What most people do is trade stocks until they have nothing left. A temporary shift in the market, or a particular stock, freaks them out and they think they have to sell. I have many friends who have done this. If you have to look at it every day, and worry about it, you should probably buy bonds. Over time, the market (a well diversified portfolio) gives about the same return as a corporate bond with a healthy rating. I am very risk averse and would drive myself insane with checking the status of my stocks.

In one of my ESL texts there was a story of a group of housewives who started an investment club. They needed a way to pick stocks and had no idea what to do. They each went home and looked around their homes for the things they used the most. They all had ketchup in the fridge, so they bought Heinz stock. They all used toilet paper and assorted soaps and toiletries, so they bought P&G stock. The point is that everyone likes the sexy stocks - tech, oil, minerals, new energy. However, some of the things that are bought, sold, and used the most are quite boring. Find a good cardboard box company. That will grow with the economy over time because everything is shipped in boxes.

The stock market is a tortise's game, not a hare's. Slow, steady, and cautious always wins.
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seosan08



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:




I'm of the belief that gold will probably be a safe place to be in the next 5 to 10 years. I am also of the belief that once you buy it, you're going to need to leave it untouched for 5 to 10 years. Sell it before then, and you will probably lose more than if you had never bought it at all.

Jdog, not to pick on you, but you mentioned buying gold now to fund your air ticket next summer. That means you'd have to sell it by next summer. The thing is, when you buy and sell gold, there is a large difference between the purchase price and the price you can sell it at. How much?

Here's a good site for you to look at: http://www.koreagoldx.co.kr/

If you buy a 4돈 bar of gold now (as of my typing) it will cost you 638,000 won, excluding service fees. If you were to sell that same bar back, you'd only be getting 524,000 for it. that's over 100,000 won lost on that gold bar you purchased -- now imagine what would happen to your money if gold actually dropped?

I'm not saying gold is a bad investment if you're in it for the long term (I too expect the US debt issue to be a killer some day). If you're in for less than 5 years, realize you're buying at some of the highest gold rates in years.

Call me names and swear at me all you want, Seosan08. I'm just telling people that gold is NOT something you should be thinking about to make money off of. If you had bought it when it was cheap five years ago, you'd have tripled your money. Now, however, you would be buying near the high end.


I never said I bought gold to MAKE money, I said to buy gold to PRESERVE the value of the money you have. A time table of 2-3 years is more realistic than 5-10! I've been buying silver since it was $6/oz and gold since it was $550. I plan to be out of gold in 5 years.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 to 3 years may not be enough.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. eslcafe is not where you should be asking.

http://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Guide-Investing-Taylor-Larimore/dp/0471730335

Buy and study the above book.

If you are really serious about managing your own money and finances, you ought to spend the 5k and do the CFP. That will bring you quickly up to speed. It can also be the basis of a new career back home. It can be done online.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Ok. eslcafe is not where you should be asking.

http://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Guide-Investing-Taylor-Larimore/dp/0471730335

Buy and study the above book.

If you are really serious about managing your own money and finances, you ought to spend the 5k and do the CFP. That will bring you quickly up to speed. It can also be the basis of a new career back home. It can be done online.


that looks suspiciously like what I recommended.

Edit: Yep, first reply in this thread. Yes, I am awesome. But you knew that.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there were some great bargains on wallstreet last week...

If freddy mae makes a huge come back, those shares went down to 50cent last week, and now shot up to 1.10
if they go back to 30 or 40 dollars as is once was, would be a great investment, yahoo shares went down to 9 dollars, and shot up to 12 dollars.. and Carl Ichan just bought 75 million dollars worth..
those shares should go back to 20 or 30 dollars soon too..

not to mention the ton of other stocks which all dipped, and investors bought the bargains.. if you do have 90K to invest, hope you invested last week!
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
mises wrote:
Ok. eslcafe is not where you should be asking.

http://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Guide-Investing-Taylor-Larimore/dp/0471730335

Buy and study the above book.

If you are really serious about managing your own money and finances, you ought to spend the 5k and do the CFP. That will bring you quickly up to speed. It can also be the basis of a new career back home. It can be done online.


that looks suspiciously like what I recommended.

Edit: Yep, first reply in this thread. Yes, I am awesome. But you knew that.


Yeah, you got it.

Picking individual stocks without very specialized training, research and the rest is prolly a fools errand.
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