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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Korea deserves the kind of teachers they get, here's why:
http://www.teachkorea.ca/
BA/BA 3-4 year university degree
You must be a native English speaker
NO experience is required
NO TESOL certificate is required
As long as ads similar to this one are posted on the internet, Korea and Koreans have no business complaining about the people they get.
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I agree with you on that one. On the other hand, the misfits hired through such ads have no businesses pretending to be teachers or claiming they deserve to be treated as teachers. The "teachers" get a pretty good deal---essentially a long, paid vacation---and the Koreans have their kids entertained. A win-win situation, in my opinion, so I don't understand all the whining that goes on around here. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
I agree with you on that one. On the other hand, the misfits hired through such ads have no businesses pretending to be teachers or claiming they deserve to be treated as teachers. The "teachers" get a pretty good deal---essentially a long, paid vacation---and the Koreans have their kids entertained. A win-win situation, in my opinion, so I don't understand all the whining that goes on around here. |
Who does? When? You're good at straw men and false premises, but not much else.
Teachers complain about a lack of contractual compliance and an autocratic management style. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
I agree with you on that one. On the other hand, the misfits hired through such ads have no businesses pretending to be teachers or claiming they deserve to be treated as teachers. The "teachers" get a pretty good deal---essentially a long, paid vacation---and the Koreans have their kids entertained. A win-win situation, in my opinion, so I don't understand all the whining that goes on around here. |
Who does? When? You're good at straw men and false premises, but not much else.
Teachers complain about a lack of contractual compliance and an autocratic management style. |
I agree that Koreans could do better on many fronts---perpetual lying, cheating on contracts, and xenophobia are not very helpful---but the misfit "teachgers" that they employ should also be grateful to have jobs that are essentially vacations. We should be fair and look at both sides of the coin. |
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Look man, I'm not trying to belittle you, I am not trying to insult your country, but I do take issue with people defending the constiitution when it's fairly ill equipped to defend many of the people that need to be protected, and it protects the people who kill, rape, and sodmize adults and children.
wanting to feel safe is hardly a fascist ideal. |
No but the changes you have hinted at to give you that safety surely are. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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I think most people here have witnessed or directly exprienced really, really unprofessional police work here in Korea -- as well as incompetence from other civil servants. Some posters here would like those people to be able to invite themselves into your house to have a look around whenever they like.
Never forget: We are always a stonesthrow from fascism. We could see it in our lifetimes.
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| hamlet712 wrote: |
Look man, I'm not trying to belittle you, I am not trying to insult your country, but I do take issue with people defending the constiitution when it's fairly ill equipped to defend many of the people that need to be protected, and it protects the people who kill, rape, and sodmize adults and children.
wanting to feel safe is hardly a fascist ideal. |
No but the changes you have hinted at to give you that safety surely are. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
I agree with you on that one. On the other hand, the misfits hired through such ads have no businesses pretending to be teachers or claiming they deserve to be treated as teachers. The "teachers" get a pretty good deal---essentially a long, paid vacation---and the Koreans have their kids entertained. A win-win situation, in my opinion, so I don't understand all the whining that goes on around here. |
Who does? When? You're good at straw men and false premises, but not much else.
Teachers complain about a lack of contractual compliance and an autocratic management style. |
I agree that Koreans could do better on many fronts---perpetual lying, cheating on contracts, and xenophobia are not very helpful---but the misfit "teachgers" that they employ should also be grateful to have jobs that are essentially vacations. We should be fair and look at both sides of the coin. |
Once again, I'll ask you: Who are claiming they deserve to 'treated as teachers', and what does that even mean? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
Perhaps not a majority, but there are quite a few PS teachers in this district who have real education degrees and or overseas experience.
They are being subjected to the same treatment as anyone with a BA and no experience.
There was one guy last year who had a Masters in Education who was treated like he was 5 years old.
"OK pick up the chalk, write your name" |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
Perhaps not a majority, but there are quite a few PS teachers in this district who have real education degrees and or overseas experience.
They are being subjected to the same treatment as anyone with a BA and no experience.
There was one guy last year who had a Masters in Education who was treated like he was 5 years old.
"OK pick up the chalk, write your name" |
To be fair, most education majors I've known in Asia haven't fared very well in handling themselves and dealing with the day to day life and frustrations of living in a foreign country. Sometimes people who are not the best examples have what it takes to hang in and endure until the end of the contract.[/list] |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
Perhaps not a majority, but there are quite a few PS teachers in this district who have real education degrees and or overseas experience.
They are being subjected to the same treatment as anyone with a BA and no experience.
There was one guy last year who had a Masters in Education who was treated like he was 5 years old.
"OK pick up the chalk, write your name" |
And there highlights the problem with teaching here in korea. The hiarcial system is totally destructive to effeciency and makes everyone subserviant to someone. Most workers just pass the buck, and means effeciency and communication drops off.
It is this what also chases Koreans away from their own country . |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoul'n'Corea wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
Perhaps not a majority, but there are quite a few PS teachers in this district who have real education degrees and or overseas experience.
They are being subjected to the same treatment as anyone with a BA and no experience.
There was one guy last year who had a Masters in Education who was treated like he was 5 years old.
"OK pick up the chalk, write your name" |
And there highlights the problem with teaching here in korea. The hiarcial system is totally destructive to effeciency and makes everyone subserviant to someone. Most workers just pass the buck, and means effeciency and communication drops off.
It is this what also chases Koreans away from their own country . |
Huh? I'll skip the others, but this? |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The whining is because a lot of people come here with TEFL training or with B Ed degrees or with several years teaching experience and get treated the same as any clown just off the boat. |
A lot? Come on ... Anyway, what on earth are they doing here if they can get a better deal elsewhere? |
Perhaps not a majority, but there are quite a few PS teachers in this district who have real education degrees and or overseas experience.
They are being subjected to the same treatment as anyone with a BA and no experience.
There was one guy last year who had a Masters in Education who was treated like he was 5 years old.
"OK pick up the chalk, write your name" |
That certainly sucks. In such cases one should simply vote with the feet---quickly. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
I agree with you on that one. On the other hand, the misfits hired through such ads have no businesses pretending to be teachers or claiming they deserve to be treated as teachers. The "teachers" get a pretty good deal---essentially a long, paid vacation---and the Koreans have their kids entertained. A win-win situation, in my opinion, so I don't understand all the whining that goes on around here. |
Who does? When? You're good at straw men and false premises, but not much else.
Teachers complain about a lack of contractual compliance and an autocratic management style. |
I agree that Koreans could do better on many fronts---perpetual lying, cheating on contracts, and xenophobia are not very helpful---but the misfit "teachgers" that they employ should also be grateful to have jobs that are essentially vacations. We should be fair and look at both sides of the coin. |
Once again, I'll ask you: Who are claiming they deserve to 'treated as teachers', and what does that even mean? |
3% of those on E-2 visas really are teachers of English---they have a proper command of the language, can teach, want to teach, and are serious about teaching---and they deserve better than the other 97%, who are merely holidaymakers. For their part, the latter should not insist that they are in the same category as the former.
That said, I agree that Koreans should do a better job in their treatment of all foreigners, including the English-"teaching" holidaymakers. I'm sure you will agree. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Where do you get that figure?
Are you talking about Public Schools, universities, hagwons or all together? |
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