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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: PS vacation snafu Reply with quote

I have 25 vacation days to use this winter. My winter camp is finished January 23rd.

I planned on take my vacation starting that monday(Jan. 26), all the way to Feb. 28th. I haven't been home in a while, so I was going to spend over a month at home.

After my school approved the vacation, I bought the plane tickets. The plane tickets were bought on a Korean discount website, and there are no refunds. Now they come back and say, "School is in session the beginning of February. You can't use your vacation those days."

I told them that I already bought the ticket that is nonrefundable, and they said, "You worked public school last year. You should've known already there was classes those couple weeks in February."

What should I do to get those days off? As a last resort, I guess I could just use my sick days, but the school will know the reason isn't because I'm sick.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THEY approved the vacation: hold them to it. 2 weeks isn't that big of a deal, and they can make any concession they want.
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woodstock



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Take your vacation Reply with quote

You're entitled to your holiday time as stipulated in your contract. The very same contract they trott out when they want you to work supplemental classes during winter and summer breaks; or help with editing/rewrites for their English newspaper. In my first year in PS I had my holiday schedules dictated to me by my school. My vacation time was disjointed and I ended up losing one full day of my holidays while trying to be accomadating. No more Mr. Nice guy. I book my time in advance. Secure the appropriate approvals and then buy my ticket. You were given their approval and it seems like your using your allowed holiday time. Pack your bags and have a great time. To allow them to save face give them the option of refunding your ticket in full. They won't and you'll be off.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icnelly wrote:
THEY approved the vacation: hold them to it. 2 weeks isn't that big of a deal, and they can make any concession they want.


Well, it turns out is WASN'T approved. The school is telling me that the head teacher approved it, but the VP/Principal never did, so the prior approval didn't count.

Should I threaten to use my sick days? Or should I keep that secret and just call in sick those days?
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I would tell them your going and if they dont like it they can fire you. Or if they dont let you, you'll quit. Its mass communication problems like these that make this country hard at times. Just be calm and tell the VP/Principal that it was approved in your opinion as told by you. If they dont understand, do the above.

Offer to use your sick days but I doubt that'll shake them. You can always get another job in Korea.
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kiwiliz



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask them in reality how many english classes there will be, in my schools I think there is actually only one English class in that time.

If it is only a couple I am sure you can point that out to your Pricipal and ask him to be kind..considerate,,,realistic...or bribe him with duty free whiskey!@
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might look for a new job. Talk to your coordinator and go up on the vacation issue and even seek a transfer. Teachers do put in for transfers, especially to larger towns or cities and so can you.

To my understanding, no PS has classes in February, except for a couple days graduation ceremonies in the second week, but teachers come in the last 2 weeks to get ready for the new School year which begins on March 2nd. There're just being hard asses to you, because there's something wrong in your relationship with them.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
icnelly wrote:
THEY approved the vacation: hold them to it. 2 weeks isn't that big of a deal, and they can make any concession they want.


Well, it turns out is WASN'T approved. The school is telling me that the head teacher approved it, but the VP/Principal never did, so the prior approval didn't count.

Should I threaten to use my sick days? Or should I keep that secret and just call in sick those days?


Yeah, the ole fake approval. I had something similar play out actually. Last year when I re-signed, I asked for two things: the 100k pay raise, and that my vacation time (more than usual) would stay the same. My CT came back and said all was approved. This year I'll be heading home in March, so no extra vacation bonus, and come to find out my CT never mentioned the vacation part because she didn't think it'd be an issue. We still figured out how we can officiate my freetime, but people should take this as a warning to check anything that has been approved.

I'd say don't show your hand if you're going to use the sick days: just call in sick. They'll still know, but they can't really say anything about it.

Edit: my school does have classes the first 2 weeks of Feb.


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Dharma_Blue



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PKang aren't you leaving that school anyway? Who cares? Just stick by your guns, say you had already been given the impression it was approved, and that's that.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
icnelly wrote:
THEY approved the vacation: hold them to it. 2 weeks isn't that big of a deal, and they can make any concession they want.


Well, it turns out is WASN'T approved. The school is telling me that the head teacher approved it, but the VP/Principal never did, so the prior approval didn't count.

Should I threaten to use my sick days? Or should I keep that secret and just call in sick those days?


I always got approval in writing. Do you have a vacation/absence log you can check? When I got mine approved, I made a photocopy of it and took it home.

The school says you should've known that there is schood during February b/c you worked there last year. Shouldn't your co-teacher have known this?

SMOE officials directly told NSET Representatives that it is OK to miss February school days in order to get all the vacation.

Here are my suggestions: Take this issue directly to SMOE. Explain that you communicate with your co-teacher, as all NSETs do, and she directly told you the vacation dates were approved. This is what happened, right?

Also, NSETs can miss work for unapproved reasons up to 7 days without being fired. If SMOE fails to support you, though I don't understand why they would given the co-teacher's approval and knowledge of NSETs missing Feb. school days, take unapproved leave if it is less than 7 days.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, I was told to be back by the 4th of Feb, but I've no idea why. Last year, semester 1 didn't start until March 3rd, which meant I had the whole of February off. Anyone any idea why they're asking us to come back for the start of Feb? I'm guessing it's just a ploy to get get me back at my desk.
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JJJ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and I AND the school, all know there are no "lessons" per se. Just some games, videos, babysitting during that time in February.

If they want to pay for the ticket change, then fine, keep them happy. If not, I say to you, have a great holiday. Sounds like you'll need it.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got everything worked out. Had a meeting with the Vice Principal.

I explained my situation, and my VP turns to my Coteacher and asks her, "If you can cover for pkang0202 and don't mind him taking his vacation these days, I don't see anything wrong with it."

About now I'm thinking that if my coteacher wanted to really screw me over, she could do it at this moment.

My coteacher says its not a problem and says I don't have to come those days.

The VP says she approves and everything is cool...... for now.


Looks like I got over the first hurdle, but I'm not optimistic. I'm just waiting until the day before my vacation starts and the school pulls some crap like, "Oh, we just heard from the education office and they won't allow native teachers to take off. Its in your contract that says you can't take vacation on days school is open."
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:


Looks like I got over the first hurdle, but I'm not optimistic. I'm just waiting until the day before my vacation starts and the school pulls some crap like, "Oh, we just heard from the education office and they won't allow native teachers to take off. Its in your contract that says you can't take vacation on days school is open."


Ms. Ryu and Ms. Choi (Lois) said it's no problem if the school wants to let you off during September and during the first week of the new semester. In many cases, they must do this in order to let NSETs take all their vacation.
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timetotravel



Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this happened to me in august. the co teacher told me the VP and P approved it and then turned around and said the days didnt work and i couldnt miss class time....well i just told them it was too late, the flight was booked and i couldnt change it.
they were pissed but i went and missed two weeks of school and that was that. when i came back tons of teachers complained and said it wasnt fair i got more vacation time then they did and that they didnt want to pay taxes anymore because some of it went to my salary which i got for not working....tons of ridiculous reasons to be mad.....
but they go over it.....
just tell them you cant and your ct told you it was approved and thats who you trust when it comes to such issues.....
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