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ohahakehte
Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: The State of Denial
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:33 am Post subject: has Korea always been monocultural and monolingual? |
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seeing as such countries are in the minority in a global perspective, i often find it hard to believe that Korea has been monocultural, monoethnic and monolingual for a long time. like many people think Japan is the same way but its not, nor has it been despite Japanese efforts to the contrary. the indigenous Ainu people were in Japan before the Japanese and the Okinawans to my knowledge dont completely identify themselves as Japanese.
were the minorities in Korea pushed out a long time ago? was there ever only one language (Korean) in Korea (including dialects)? |
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HardyandTiny

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: Re: has Korea always been monocultural and monolingual? |
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ohahakehte wrote: |
seeing as such countries are in the minority in a global perspective, i often find it hard to believe that Korea has been monocultural, monoethnic and monolingual for a long time. like many people think Japan is the same way but its not, nor has it been despite Japanese efforts to the contrary. the indigenous Ainu people were in Japan before the Japanese and the Okinawans to my knowledge dont completely identify themselves as Japanese.
were the minorities in Korea pushed out a long time ago? was there ever only one language (Korean) in Korea (including dialects)? |
Christ!
Are you serious? |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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It's well-known that the Chinese and Japanese have had their way with this place in times past. What is lesser known is that the Mongols and Manchurians also 'visited' here, in the same sense that the Vikings 'visited' much of Europe. There are still remnants of the Mongol culture, if you can call it that, on Cheju-do. For their part, the Koreans of that era pushed into Manchuria and made it their own, for a while. |
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ohahakehte
Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: The State of Denial
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:15 am Post subject: |
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coolsage wrote: |
It's well-known that the Chinese and Japanese have had their way with this place in times past. What is lesser known is that the Mongols and Manchurians also 'visited' here, in the same sense that the Vikings 'visited' much of Europe. |
so this place has been chinese, japanese, korean, manuchurian, etc. to the exclusion of all other minorities and subgroups? thats hard to believe, not to say that i dont believe what you're saying. even the most seemingly homogenous societies in the world have had many obscure cultural and linguistic sub-groups |
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Korea has not been to the "Hermit Kingdom" for no reason. Never say Korea was Japanese. Japanese culture was stolen from Korea.
I suggest you read about the three kingdoms....Silla, Paekgae, and Korgoryo. Get a Korean history book at Kyobo. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: |
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I hear what you're saying. Did Korea have any minority sub-groups such as the Ainu in northern Japan? A good question, and I have no answer to that one. Does anyone know? Replies are eagerly anticipated. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:59 am Post subject: |
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kangnamdragon wrote: |
Korea has not been to the "Hermit Kingdom" for no reason. Never say Korea was Japanese. Japanese culture was stolen from Korea.
I suggest you read about the three kingdoms....Silla, Paekgae, and Korgoryo. Get a Korean history book at Kyobo. |
Just curious... what parts of Japanese culture were stolen from Korea in your opinion? |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Korea has not been to the "Hermit Kingdom" for no reason. Never say Korea was Japanese. Japanese culture was stolen from Korea. |
You cant steal what was freely given. Also lets remember it was not korean culture but ancient Chinese culture that was transmitted from Korea to Japan. Not all came through Korea either - some came from China directly. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:55 am Post subject: |
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coolsage wrote: |
I hear what you're saying. Did Korea have any minority sub-groups such as the Ainu in northern Japan? A good question, and I have no answer to that one. Does anyone know? Replies are eagerly anticipated. |
Yes. There was a group like the Ainu here (they probably were Ainu) but the migrations of different groups into the Korean peninsula spelled the end for those people. Whether they were assimilated, killed, or all took off for Japan, nobody is really sure. In any case, they didn't have much of an impact on Korean culture. All they're really responsible for are the prehistoric finds on the peninsula. |
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Donghae
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Location: Fukuoka, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I don't know when you were in Japan, shakuhachi, but in the years I've been here, lots of Japanese people freely accept that some of what came from the Korean peninsula to Japan was taken by force. In fact, I'd be confident that a majority of those historically aware would admit so. Many would probably also argue (and quite fairly in my opinion) that plenty of other countries have done much more plundering than they have in the past. |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Donghae,
What culture did Japan take by force from Korea? I thought that culture develops slowly. Things are assimilated etc.
Are you talking about artifacts etc?
I don't understand what you mean by 'things taken by force' |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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matko wrote: |
I don't understand what you mean by 'things taken by force' |
Potters and tea culture during the Hideyoshi invasions. |
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Donghae
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Location: Fukuoka, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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One example is the pottery style and of course the actual potters themselves in northern Saga (NW part of Kyushu, the southernmost of Japan's main islands), which is the area where Hideyoshi launched his invasion from at the end of the 1500s. You can talk to plenty of Japanese people in this area, who, whilst proud that the craft has been established for 000s of years in their area, will also acknowledge the circumstances of the original craftsmen being brought there. |
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Donghae
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Location: Fukuoka, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I must improve typing speed. I'm going to try using both thumbs from now on  |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Donghae wrote: |
One example is the pottery style and of course the actual potters themselves in northern Saga (NW part of Kyushu, the southernmost of Japan's main islands), which is the area where Hideyoshi launched his invasion from at the end of the 1500s. You can talk to plenty of Japanese people in this area, who, whilst proud that the craft has been established for 000s of years in their area, will also acknowledge the circumstances of the original craftsmen being brought there. |
Other than pottery, is ther anything else? I am very curious about this. I've heard many claims on both sides of the East/Japan Sea that claim cultural 'thievery'.
Japan vs. Korea fascinates me. I don't claim to be an expert on the matter, so just consider me an interested observer. |
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