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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: HIV positive Foreigners not to be deported... Reply with quote

Not sure if this is good or bad...

HIV-infected foreigners not to be deported

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2008/12/02/200812020050.asp



A local court ruled it unlawful to deport an HIV-infected foreigner.

The Seoul High Court recently made a ruling in favor of a Chinese worker, who had filed a suit requesting the cancellation of his expulsion by the Seoul Immigration Service, said court officials Sunday. The judgment was in agreement with the original ruling by a lower court.

The Immigration Service will make an appeal to the Supreme Court, where a final judgment will be made on the issue, immigration officials said.

The Chinese worker came to Korea last March at the invitation of his Korean mother, and acquired legitimate permission to stay. He was preparing to obtain Korean nationality when he was diagnosed as HIV positive.

Informed of his infection, the Immigration Service ordered him out of the country. The man defied the order and filed a petition to the Seoul Administrative Court, which ruled in favor of the plaintiff.

By Bae Hyun-jung


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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is indeed opening itself up to the world. 5 years down the road, things like HIV, illegal drugs, and anything else money can buy will be much more common. Not that this is good, it just means that Korea will culturally catch up with the rest of the world. If you like the naivety, simplicity, and safe feeling this country offers today, enjoy it while you can.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


Why would they? Are you assuming that all people who have HIV are some sort of crazies that go around having sex with other people without using protection.

Any foreigner can enter a foreign country, get a knife, and kill someone. Why is someone who has HIV (and knows they have HIV) any more of a threat to society than someone who doesn't.

Why not provide education, treatment and compassion and deal with this health issue as the global health care issue it is. Doing so certainly couldn't produce any worse results than those we are currently living with.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


I agree. They should be shipped off to AIDS Island so that they can all have sex with each other and not infect other people. I mean, their lives are completely over, so what's the difference? All that's left for them is to be ostracized from their families and die.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I don't mean they should deport everyone with HIV. I was replying to the idea that adapting to increased drug use, illegal immigration, and disease was somehow progress. The idea of progress isn't learning to put up with people's bullshit, it's learning how to stop making mistakes in the first place. Does deporting foreigners with HIV really help the issue, or just feed into the idea that AIDS is a foreign disease? The latter, probably. But let's not fall into the trap that diversity of diseases and social ills is somehow a sign of maturity.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


I agree. They should be shipped off to AIDS Island so that they can all have sex with each other and not infect other people. I mean, their lives are completely over, so what's the difference? All that's left for them is to be ostracized from their families and die.


Their lives are over? Really? Earvin "Magic" Johnson a former NBA star has been living with HIV for 20 years. In that time he has made a greater contribution to society (both as an extremely successful entrepreneur and humanitarian) than any of us could ever dream of making. Maybe we should be shipping the ignorant people of the world off to this island you speak of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
No, I don't mean they should deport everyone with HIV. I was replying to the idea that adapting to increased drug use, illegal immigration, and disease was somehow progress. The idea of progress isn't learning to put up with people's bullshit, it's learning how to stop making mistakes in the first place. Does deporting foreigners with HIV really help the issue, or just feed into the idea that AIDS is a foreign disease? The latter, probably. But let's not fall into the trap that diversity of diseases and social ills is somehow a sign of maturity.


In Korea there are now more than 6,000 Koreans infected with HIV. Anyone who has lived here and is familiar with the "culture" knows this number is higher. The "culture" being what it is, this number will be skyrocketing in the next decade or two. Koreans are doing fine in diversifying diseases without the help of foreigners. When you deport a foreigner with HIV (some of which were brought here for the "Entertainment Industry" in the first place) it just gives Koreans a false sense of security, which is very dangerous considering the average Korean's level of knowledge regarding HIV.
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Mr-Dokdo



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


Even if they get the virus from locals?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the ruling sticks, is a good progressive precendent to set.

However make no mistake, if a school sees an applicant is HIV+ then there is no way they would hire them - regardlessly the discrimination will continue.


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They should be shipped off to AIDS Island so that they can all have sex with each other and not infect other people. I mean, their lives are completely over, so what's the difference? All that's left for them is to be ostracized from their families and die.


Well perhaps if one of your friends or family (or yourself) ever become HIV+ perhaps you will reconsider.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


I agree. They should be shipped off to AIDS Island so that they can all have sex with each other and not infect other people. I mean, their lives are completely over, so what's the difference? All that's left for them is to be ostracized from their families and die.


Their lives are over? Really? Earvin "Magic" Johnson a former NBA star has been living with HIV for 20 years. In that time he has made a greater contribution to society (both as an extremely successful entrepreneur and humanitarian) than any of us could ever dream of making. Maybe we should be shipping the ignorant people of the world off to this island you speak of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson


I think ESL was being sarcastic.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most effective way that Korea and the World can stop the spread of HIV would be to test people within their borders, with a guarantee to healthcare if a person is found to be positive. Forcing mandatory testing for the purpose of discrimination will only have the effect of scaring people from taking the test, and increase the risk of people unwittingly spreading this awful disease.

It is the duty of mankind to fight AIDS. To shirk away from that duty because rich countries would rather spend money on cars rather than help out the sick and the poor would run the risk of inviting the wrath of God. And I'm not kidding about that. HIV is a disease that can mutate and can find other ways to be transmitted besides needles and unprotected sex.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


Because it means allowing them in means they'll have to start wearing condoms at the barber shops?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


Because it means allowing them in means they'll have to start wearing condoms at the barber shops?


LoL
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why shouldn't a country want to keep out HIV-positive foreigners?


He's not a bloody foreigner his mother's a Korean!!! Didn't anyone else notice this??

*I realise some Koreans may not think this way.
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