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Ladies do non-English speaking male staff like to escort you

 
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Ladies do non-English speaking male staff like to escort you Reply with quote

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In my public school, the school staff, especially the men, like to escort me places like to school or to my neighborhood. I had a male co-worker do that with me today and had to spend about 20 minutes with him on my commute home because he decided to not take his usual route and be my escort on the route leading to my neighborhood. The problem is that he doesn't speak any English so it's really awkward for me when he tries to make conversation with me in Korean even though he knows I don't speak it. I have another co-worker who does the same thing in the morning on my way to work. Then there's another guy I work with who offered to take a cab with me recently according to my co-teacher since we both were going to the same neighborhood but I refused because I can't stand the awkward silence. Well, I just said I prefer the subway which I do. Is this normal and don't they understand this is a weird situation for an English speaker? Or is this a common thing for Korean men to do? I wouldn't mind so much if we spoke a common language.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The men at my school who don't speak much English usually go out of their way to avoid me. Today one nearly jumped out of his skin when he came around a corner and almost ran into me. Turned bright red, didn't say a word, bowed, and rushed away. Then there are the older male teachers to whom I might as well be invisible.

Nonetheless, there are a couple who will position themselves across from me at the lunch table and then just smile sheepishly after making a gesture toward my chopsticks and saying, "Very good." On one such occasion, another older male teacher leaned over and said, "He P.E. teacher. Young. Single. Very handsome." Yeah. Thanks for that. The rest of this meal isn't going to be awkward at all. Also, his being very handsome is not likely to make up for the fact that we can't hold even a minimal level of polite conversation....

I did have one teacher tell me, after a slightly bumpy attempt at lunch time conversation, that he would "learn English very hard" for me. That's sweet, I guess.
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that the young, single "handsome" guys go out of their way to avoid me. Once I was having my usual struggle with the photocopier and one of them came over and explained what the problem was in flawless English. This is after about six months of avoiding me almost religiously and was followed by another six months of avoiding me religiously. LOL I'm an unmarried woman in my twenties and I think that they think I'm going to jump their "handsome" eligible bones.

Some of the older guys are pretty friendly, especially at school dinners after a few sojus. One older guy has very kindly taken to driving me to school a couple of times a week but I definitely don't get escorted (although in the beginning they did like to show me how to difficult and unusual things like turn on a computer or put the jug on. Rolling Eyes )

I hear what you're saying about the awkward silences though. I also hate it and would much rather take the bus and listen to my ipod than sit in silence or suffer through endless miscommunication and frustration. I just grin and bear it when teachers (male or female) give me a ride somewhere or try to talk to me because I know that they're just trying to be kind. It's a pain in the ass sometimes but I still appreciate the gesture. Does that make sense?
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's looking for a sexual tryst with you.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck wrote:
I find that the young, single "handsome" guys go out of their way to avoid me. Once I was having my usual struggle with the photocopier and one of them came over and explained what the problem was in flawless English. This is after about six months of avoiding me almost religiously and was followed by another six months of avoiding me religiously. LOL I'm an unmarried woman in my twenties and I think that they think I'm going to jump their "handsome" eligible bones.

Some of the older guys are pretty friendly, especially at school dinners after a few sojus. One older guy has very kindly taken to driving me to school a couple of times a week but I definitely don't get escorted (although in the beginning they did like to show me how to difficult and unusual things like turn on a computer or put the jug on. Rolling Eyes )

I hear what you're saying about the awkward silences though. I also hate it and would much rather take the bus and listen to my ipod than sit in silence or suffer through endless miscommunication and frustration. I just grin and bear it when teachers (male or female) give me a ride somewhere or try to talk to me because I know that they're just trying to be kind. It's a pain in the ass sometimes but I still appreciate the gesture. Does that make sense?


Perfect sense. I've also been told by some more fluent male teachers that a lot of the other men want to talk to me, but are too nervous about their English. Being someone who is desperately trying to learn Korean and humiliating myself with it on a daily basis, I don't want to discourage anyone from trying to speak to me, no matter how bad their English is or how awkward the situation.

Re: helpful tips on totally obvious things. One of my male coteachers once told me that I should close my windows when I'm not home, because if it rains, my apartment will get wet.

Yeah. That happens in the States as well, actually....
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kimuchiii



Joined: 02 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, that's too funny ladies Laughing
Curious I'm no Picasso did people seem to approach you more at work when they saw you floundering but trying in Korean?

Perceptioncheck You have it all wrong, he's too attracted to you-hence the avoiding Wink Careful if you get soju in him, you might be the one avoiding him Laughing
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
He's looking for a sexual tryst with you.


If he does, then I wonder how he would express it. All he said was "escort (my neighborhood in parentheses)." I wanted to say he didn't have to but he wouldn't understand anyway. I was actually afraid he meant to my apartment so I verified with him he's going past my stop on the map. He's been trying his best to be really helpful with the smallest things and while I appreciate it, all I can say is kamsahamnida and leave it at that.

And to I'm no Picasso, I find that the women were a shy about speaking English with me while all this time I was thinking they didn't know a lick of it. I was told later that they were eager too to speak it though I didn't get that feeling based on the way they wouldn't even say hi to me in English and would just bow. As for the men, most mind their own business and ignore me except for the couple I mention above. They seem to be really trying to communicate but failing most of the time.

Sometimes some of the other males teachers say my name and make some kind of joke to my co-teacher. My co-teacher just laughs but I have a feeling these jokes aren't completely innocent. My co-teacher told me recently about one of these jokes and it turned out he told her to tell me I look really good. She said she refused because she thought it would border on sexual harrassment. I was like, okay, I've heard worse things at work in my native language. Whatever the case, I don't know why they even bother. I know I wouldn't if I didn't know the other person's language.
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimuchiii wrote:


Perceptioncheck You have it all wrong, he's too attracted to you-hence the avoiding Wink Careful if you get soju in him, you might be the one avoiding him Laughing


Haha, yeah, I notice the ones who avoid you and are super shy are the ones who chase you the hardest once they get your attention. This especially applies to Korean men.
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I'm no Picasso



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimuchiii wrote:
Haha, that's too funny ladies Laughing
Curious I'm no Picasso did people seem to approach you more at work when they saw you floundering but trying in Korean?

Perceptioncheck You have it all wrong, he's too attracted to you-hence the avoiding Wink Careful if you get soju in him, you might be the one avoiding him Laughing


I haven't tried with the teachers yet. Still pretty nervous about that. I've just been practicing outside of school and today I dropped my Korean on one of my students for the first time. They were very impressed, anyway. Of course then I got a barrage of Korean in return and had to explain that, just as they cannot understand everything I say to them, and I must speak slowly and simply, they will have to do the same with me if they want me to have a chance at understanding their Korean.

My closest coworker informed me that if I simply start using little Korean phrases here and there at work, I would be shocked at how it would change my relationships with the non-English speakers, though.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starla wrote:
DCJames wrote:
He's looking for a sexual tryst with you.


If he does, then I wonder how he would express it. All he said was "escort (my neighborhood in parentheses)." I wanted to say he didn't have to but he wouldn't understand anyway. I was actually afraid he meant to my apartment so I verified with him he's going past my stop on the map. He's been trying his best to be really helpful with the smallest things and while I appreciate it, all I can say is kamsahamnida and leave it at that.

And to I'm no Picasso, I find that the women were a shy about speaking English with me while all this time I was thinking they didn't know a lick of it. I was told later that they were eager too to speak it though I didn't get that feeling based on the way they wouldn't even say hi to me in English and would just bow. As for the men, most mind their own business and ignore me except for the couple I mention above. They seem to be really trying to communicate but failing most of the time.

Sometimes some of the other males teachers say my name and make some kind of joke to my co-teacher. My co-teacher just laughs but I have a feeling these jokes aren't completely innocent. My co-teacher told me recently about one of these jokes and it turned out he told her to tell me I look really good. She said she refused because she thought it would border on sexual harrassment. I was like, okay, I've heard worse things at work in my native language. Whatever the case, I don't know why they even bother. I know I wouldn't if I didn't know the other person's language.



One of the main reasons I'm determined to work really hard on my Korean is that I've noticed the same thing lately with a couple of people in my office, one man in particular, with the name and then laughing. The thing is, this guy is super charming and really, really nice to me -- always says "Morning!" when I pass him on the way in, and even tried to help me fix my computer once when he walked past and saw me with my head in my hands and big error message in Korean. But he hasn't spoken any other English that I've heard, and the name + laughing thing is making me paranoid, even though I have no reason to suspect it's anything malicious. It still unnerves me though, and I've been a little less friendly toward him since I've noticed it. Which is stupid because I have no idea what he's saying.

When I first arrived, for a few weeks, there was loads of unrest in the cafeteria when I would walk in with one or another of the male teachers. For some reason, lunch time seems to be segregated amongst the genders, and I happen to eat with the men. One of my lunchtime companions is not so good at English, and the guy I mentioned above harassed him when he sat alone at a table with me. I did manage to catch a few words in Korean and I think he was basically saying, why are you sitting with her? You don't speak enough English.

Anyway, it basically all seems good humored, even if it's ultimately going nowhere.
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