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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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They are just setting everyone up for another false flag operation.
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| US probably paid these gunman to kill as many as possible, just to let the public know terrorism is still around so they have something to legitimate their shitty wars. Ah well, just makin' more enemies, thanks again guys. |
Well, they came from Pakistan, home of the ISI whose former director, Gen. Gul Hamid, wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta in August 2001. I'm just waiting for confirmation of the Mumbai guys links to ISI, which has always been effectively under CIA control/influence. |
Wait, aren't you a truther? I stopped following the 9/11 stuff about a year ago, but aren't you with feet in both ponds if 1) you think the 9/11 thing was a "false flag" and then 2) are talking about the ISI and Atta? |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
They are just setting everyone up for another false flag operation.
| sharkey wrote: |
| US probably paid these gunman to kill as many as possible, just to let the public know terrorism is still around so they have something to legitimate their shitty wars. Ah well, just makin' more enemies, thanks again guys. |
Well, they came from Pakistan, home of the ISI whose former director, Gen. Gul Hamid, wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta in August 2001. I'm just waiting for confirmation of the Mumbai guys links to ISI, which has always been effectively under CIA control/influence. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ...Pakistan, home of the ISI...which has always been effectively under CIA control... |
I strongly disagree. In fact, there is no evidence to support this. The evidence shows that CIA has always had to negotiate with ISI, dating as far back as the 1980s. ISI has its own mind, keeps its own counsel, and does its own thing, Bacasper.
Take a look at the war's "progress" along the Afghan-Pakistani border if you do not understand... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| ...Pakistan, home of the ISI...which has always been effectively under CIA control... |
I strongly disagree. In fact, there is no evidence to support this. The evidence shows that CIA has always had to negotiate with ISI, dating as far back as the 1980s. ISI has its own mind, keeps its own counsel, and does its own thing, Bacasper.
Take a look at the war's "progress" along the Afghan-Pakistani border if you do not understand... |
Oh, its complete Michael Moore-invented horseshit.
Part of the problem with the funds delivered to Afghanistan through the US gov't was that the ISI was the principal conduit, and the ISI was willing to deal with more extremists elements than the CIA was. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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I don't know why people doubt that this will happen. If Al Qaeda got their hands on a nuke what the hell else would they do with it? When you look at the amount out there, and the number of crazies out there, to assume that the two will never, ever come together is pretty silly. I wouldn't want to put a timeframe on it, but it will happen.
But you're still a lot more likely to die of many other things. It's not worth getting worked up over frankly. |
There is a lot more to nukes than pressing a big red button.....hijacking a plane is relatively easy....being able to acquire, properly store, and set off a nuclear device....let alone sneak it over is something I doubt alqueda can acomplish...
Any group of morons can hijack a plane(It's been done many times) and bomb places....I think al queda is far too hyped up....They're original plan was to simply leave to big holes in in the WTC...which followed their last terrorist attack where they drove a truck filled with explosives at the WTC. James bond villains these guys are not..... |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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An Islamic Jihad group isn't the only threat to use WMDs in the US.
If I'm the Obama Admin, I would pay especially close attention to conservative organizations and fundamentalist religious organization like Focus on the Family and such.
People are quick to forget about Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and the abortion clinic bombers of the '90s came from the ranks of the Christian Right. Don't think they and their White Supremacist allies won't be quiet while a black man is in office.
As far as Hezbollah smuggling in an Iranian bomb, I don't see that happening. Our border and port security is really weak- foreign terrorists could have done it already if they really wanted to. Or maybe, they already have... 
We'll see how Obama handles torture-gate, Iraq-gate, and Israel-Palestinian peace negotiations. If he does well, then the foreign terrorists lose the bulk of their motivation to attack. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: |
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An Islamic Jihad group isn't the only threat to use WMDs in the US.
If I'm the Obama Admin, I would pay especially close attention to conservative organizations and fundamentalist religious organization like Focus on the Family and such.
People are quick to forget about Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and the abortion clinic bombers of the '90s came from the ranks of the Christian Right. Don't think they and their White Supremacist allies won't be quiet while a black man is in office.
As far as Hezbollah smuggling in an Iranian bomb, I don't see that happening. Our border and port security is really weak- foreign terrorists could have done it already if they really wanted to. Or maybe, they already have...
We'll see how Obama handles torture-gate, Iraq-gate, and Israel-Palestinian peace negotiations. If he does well, then the foreign terrorists lose the bulk of their motivation to attack. |
70,000 trained in AQ camps during the 1990s while the US was protecting muslim Kurds from Saddam and muslims in Serbia from Slobidan. It was also during this time that the US was trying to bring the Israeli and the Palestinian side together.
What was the problem then? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| ...Pakistan, home of the ISI...which has always been effectively under CIA control... |
I strongly disagree. In fact, there is no evidence to support this. The evidence shows that CIA has always had to negotiate with ISI, dating as far back as the 1980s. ISI has its own mind, keeps its own counsel, and does its own thing, Bacasper.
Take a look at the war's "progress" along the Afghan-Pakistani border if you do not understand... |
Oh, its complete Michael Moore-invented horseshit. |
Moore didn't invent that. He merely confirmed it in Fahrenheit 911.
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| Part of the problem with the funds delivered to Afghanistan through the US gov't was that the ISI was the principal conduit, and the ISI was willing to deal with more extremists elements than the CIA was. |
Thank you for confirming that the CIA did funnel tons of money through the ISI during the Russian-Afghan war. It was this money which turned bin Laden and Al Qaeda into the premier terrorists they are today. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
They are just setting everyone up for another false flag operation.
| sharkey wrote: |
| US probably paid these gunman to kill as many as possible, just to let the public know terrorism is still around so they have something to legitimate their shitty wars. Ah well, just makin' more enemies, thanks again guys. |
Well, they came from Pakistan, home of the ISI whose former director, Gen. Gul Hamid, wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta in August 2001. I'm just waiting for confirmation of the Mumbai guys links to ISI, which has always been effectively under CIA control/influence. |
Wait, aren't you a truther? I stopped following the 9/11 stuff about a year ago, but aren't you with feet in both ponds if 1) you think the 9/11 thing was a "false flag" and then 2) are talking about the ISI and Atta? |
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Atta and several other alleged hijackers trained at military flight schools. Do you have any idea what kind of security clearance you must go through to do that? They were set up and used as part of that false flag operation.
But don't continue OT here; go to the sticky to address that. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| We've been hearing this for the last 8 years. |
It doesn't change the fact that its true.
Denying there's a serious national security threat posed by WMD is like denying climate change. Okay, not quite as bad as denying climate change, but nearly as bad. |
lol youre scared.
you guys dont have anything to worry about, bush wont be around to orchestrate attacks on americans, again |
Such as...?
Are you talking about attacks on civil liberties/habeas corpus/privacy rights, environmental regulations, etc. ... or an actual attack?
The 9/11 conspiracy theorists make everyone on the left look bad, when in reality it is only a small, crackpot percentage who actually believe the conspiracy. I think the tin foil hat analogy may be apt in this case. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you for confirming that... |
Old news. See R. Gates's memoirs. See C. Crile's Charlie Wilson's War. See even T. Clancy's Cardinal of the Kremlin. Do your own research and read the newspapers of the time.
Still does not authorize you to say what you say here. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Thank you for confirming that the CIA did funnel tons of money through the ISI during the Russian-Afghan war. It was this money which turned bin Laden and Al Qaeda into the premier terrorists they are today. |
This is true. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda received a lot of their sponsorship through the ISI, and the ISI received a lot of their sponsorship from the CIA.
This does not mean the CIA directly sponsored Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| We've been hearing this for the last 8 years. |
& the Patriot Act had nothing , nothing at all to do w/ keeping attacks from happening. |
Did it unconver any conspiracies? How many people got put away under the patriot act? |
Probably makes in harder for Al Qaeda and those that support them to put their plans into practice.
Yep Al Qaeda just decided to lay off the US. That's it. 
It is not fear it is justice.
When Al Qaeda or Hezzbollah don't get what they want it is justice. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Thank you for confirming that... |
Old news. See R. Gates's memoirs. See C. Crile's Charlie Wilson's War. See even T. Clancy's Cardinal of the Kremlin. Do your own research and read the newspapers of the time.
Still does not authorize you to say what you say here. |
OK, I'll restate as instead of "control," ISI was under CIA "influence."
| Kuros wrote: |
This is true. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda received a lot of their sponsorship through the ISI, and the ISI received a lot of their sponsorship from the CIA.
This does not mean the CIA directly sponsored Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. |
And I'll restate that as "CIA indirectly sponsored Bin Laden or Al Qaeda."
Is everybody happy now? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Still off.
CIA aided ISI, which had its own agenda. Your worldview is deeply flawed by U.S.-centrism and visions of an omnipotence that has never existed. |
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