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RoyBatty
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Location: NYC
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 Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Korean Law For Fighting |
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I'm not one to start a fight, but I'm also not one to back down if someone tries to start one with me. That said, there was an incident between myself and a sleazy French guy at a bar in Hongdae that came very close to getting violent. He wouldn't stop making aggressive advances on a lady friend I was with, and when I intervened he started getting pushy with me. Fortunately, we both had friends there to help break it up.
My question is if anyone knows what the legal repercussions could be for getting in a fight out here. Would it be different if it were with another foreigner or with a native? What about as an E-2 visa holder versus an F-4 (I'm on an F-4)? Jail time? Deportation? Fine? I have no idea how Korean law views a fight between two adults, but it would be good to know considering the rampant drinking and male aggression that is a staple of Korean night life.
This would be a good thread to share any interesting fight stories as well as your knowledge of Korean law on this subject! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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I learned quickly how safe this country is as long as you avoid late night waygook bar drunks.
Never experienced anything close to the threat of violence in six years here.
(Being around violent car crashes is another matter.) |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Law is most injured gets money and is not at fault. Problem with this kind of law is that it is easy to screwed over by a local. If you fight and stay for the cops be prepared to find a doctor who will exaggerate your injuries and take time off work to increase the amount of money you lost due to the fight. But the best option is to not fight...it is not worth it. If you do get into a fight don't stick around...get the heck out of the area. |
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fruitcake
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QbertP
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nate2008
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Location: Daegu
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Some guy who sells those fishcakes on sticks chased me down the street the other day wanting to fight. I just went into the bank and they held him off.
Reason I didn't smack him was I understand that we get the short end of the stick in these matters in court.
It was over such a minor thing as he overcharged me and I said it was a ripoff and I guess he understood English as he told me to F/off and chased me down the street wanting to scrap. He kept calling me a fing American. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
I learned quickly how safe this country is as long as you avoid late night waygook bar drunks.
Never experienced anything close to the threat of violence in six years here.
(Being around violent car crashes is another matter.) |
Stay clear of " The Old Town Seoul in Iteawon" or" Club Debeaux"
both of these bars are on the notorious hooker hill. Both bars go all night and the fights usually start either really late at night or in the early afternoon.
Sometimes when I pull an all nighter in Iteawon it's interesting to go to
" Club Debeaux" in the early afternoon. A fight usually breaks out around noon. Then the owner close's saying it's time to go to church.
The gang that's been partying all night usually goes to The Seould pub afterwards for a second wind. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes to fighting Koreans, as I once said to a friend, I'd rather keep my savings in tact than "be a man" here. The law is screwed up to begin with, and when you bring the waeg vs. local factor into it, you're almost guaranteed to lose.
Not sure about how the cops approach fights between waegs here. Hopefully amongst ourselves a guy would have the huevos not to stoop to the level of Korean "blood money" and just take his beating like a man, but then again those who go out and start shit like this aren't men to begin with.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess where you were....Tin Pan?  |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Just get the hell out of Dodge quick after it's all over! |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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| Word...don't wait for the cops to show up. Run as soon as it's over. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Law For Fighting |
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| RoyBatty wrote: |
I'm not one to start a fight, but I'm also not one to back down if someone tries to start one with me. That said, there was an incident between myself and a sleazy French guy at a bar in Hongdae that came very close to getting violent. He wouldn't stop making aggressive advances on a lady friend I was with, and when I intervened he started getting pushy with me. Fortunately, we both had friends there to help break it up.
My question is if anyone knows what the legal repercussions could be for getting in a fight out here. Would it be different if it were with another foreigner or with a native? What about as an E-2 visa holder versus an F-4 (I'm on an F-4)? Jail time? Deportation? Fine? I have no idea how Korean law views a fight between two adults, but it would be good to know considering the rampant drinking and male aggression that is a staple of Korean night life.
This would be a good thread to share any interesting fight stories as well as your knowledge of Korean law on this subject! |
If it's just two foreigners, nobody cares. So next time you run into the Frenchie, let the bugger have it.
But never, everget into a fight with a Korean. Who's right and who's wrong won't matter; you will get screwed. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Law For Fighting |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
If it's just two foreigners, nobody cares. So next time you run into the Frenchie, let the bugger have it.
But never, everget into a fight with a Korean. Who's right and who's wrong won't matter; you will get screwed. |
Wow, the first time I've read a post by Mr-Dokdo that was totally true. Fight all the foreigners you want, but if you fight a Korean you never know who else will join in, and if you're caught there's no chance you'll come out on top.
Basically, the way the law works is that it will side with the loser, or at least the person who receives more visible wounds, regardless of any other circumstances. A former adult student of mine was with his girlfriend once when they were attacked by a group of Korean guys unprovoked. They were basically gang-beating him, and his girlfriend scratched one of them on the face while trying to pull him off her boyfriend. Well, my student ended up having to apologise to his attackers and pay for "plastic surgery." |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Law For Fighting |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Wow, the first time I've read a post by Mr-Dokdo that was totally true. Fight all the foreigners you want, but if you fight a Korean you never know who else will join in, and if you're caught there's no chance you'll come out on top.
Basically, the way the law works is that it will side with the loser, or at least the person who receives more visible wounds, regardless of any other circumstances. A former adult student of mine was with his girlfriend once when they were attacked by a group of Korean guys unprovoked. They were basically gang-beating him, and his girlfriend scratched one of them on the face while trying to pull him off her boyfriend. Well, my student ended up having to apologise to his attackers and pay for "plastic surgery." |
And people wonder why no one in their right minds wants to settle in this country long-term... |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Law For Fighting |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
If it's just two foreigners, nobody cares. So next time you run into the Frenchie, let the bugger have it.
But never, everget into a fight with a Korean. Who's right and who's wrong won't matter; you will get screwed. |
Wow, the first time I've read a post by Mr-Dokdo that was totally true. Fight all the foreigners you want, but if you fight a Korean you never know who else will join in, and if you're caught there's no chance you'll come out on top.
Basically, the way the law works is that it will side with the loser, or at least the person who receives more visible wounds, regardless of any other circumstances. A former adult student of mine was with his girlfriend once when they were attacked by a group of Korean guys unprovoked. They were basically gang-beating him, and his girlfriend scratched one of them on the face while trying to pull him off her boyfriend. Well, my student ended up having to apologise to his attackers and pay for "plastic surgery." |
You're BOTH wrong.
"I know a guy" that beat the hell out of another foreigner a few years ago. "The guy" spent a week in Korean jail, and then had to pay 7 million won in blood money. Also, there was a 2 million won fine, and 5 million won for the lawyer fee.
Don't fight in Korea, EVER. Walk, or better yet, run away.
Or f*ck it, let him have it, and THEN run away. |
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