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jcmarsha



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
I'm assuming these conversations are taking place in English. At the risk of getting flamed here, you're ranting about what exactly?

If they completely ignore you and carry on in Korean, which is much easier for them to do, is that better?

Is the complaint that their English is restricting their conversations to small talk?

I'm amused that the same people that decry Korean's ignorance of things not Korean turn around and rant about Koreans trying to engage you in conversation about your home town or your interests.

Sorry, I don't get it.


I think you make a very valid point here. It gets frustrating for me sometimes when I get asked the same bland questions day in and day out, but I have to remind myself that the teachers are really just trying to be friendly and speak with me in the best way they know how. I tend to get annoyed rather than appreciate their efforts. Then I'll realize this later and feel bad about myself...it's a vicious cycle.
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sarbonn



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes, I really don't know how to answer anymore. When I first got here two months ago, I had a problem with my eyes (couldn't read anything with my glasses due to a problem that's somewhat corrected but is taking some time to readjust after the medication). I still can't read with my glasses on (and it gives me headaches to read without them). Anyway, I realized after a very short time when people were asking me about the problem, they weren't really interested but were just making small talk, and I quickly realized that they didn't want to hear about it. I was fine with that. Now, EVERYONE asks me how I'm doing, and knowing they don't want to talk about it, I'll say fine, and then they'll get all excited, convinced that the problem must be over, and then they start asking me why I'm reading without my glasses still, and they keep on going. But if I respond that the problem is still around, they act uninterested.

I'm almost at the point where I'm going to do what they do when they don't want to discuss something: Discuss something else and pretend I don't understand them.

Question: "How are eyes?"
Answer: "There is snow on the mountains. Have you ever been in snow?"
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up in Michigan, and no one has ever heard of it or know anything about it, Asian or any other Non-North American for that matter. Then I say 'Detroit' and no light bulbs go off either...then I say 'it is kinda close to Chicago' and a lightbulb kinda goes off with some people.

Then I say but the last time I lived in the U.S., I lived in San Francisco. 'OHHH'...then silence again. Then I say, "Okay, turn to page 1 in your books."
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
I'm assuming these conversations are taking place in English. At the risk of getting flamed here, you're ranting about what exactly?

If they completely ignore you and carry on in Korean, which is much easier for them to do, is that better?

Is the complaint that their English is restricting their conversations to small talk?

I'm amused that the same people that decry Korean's ignorance of things not Korean turn around and rant about Koreans trying to engage you in conversation about your home town or your interests.

Sorry, I don't get it.


For the most part, I agree. Yes, the "do you like kimchi/isn't it too spicy?" can be buried, but, for the most part, are making an effort. Last year I was at a school where nearly all the teachers made an effort to talk at lunchtime.

I'm at a bigger school, and very little effort is made apart from 3 teachers-2 of whom are pretty hot. I reciprocate the ffort made, or not made, as the case may be.
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akiakiaki



Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Location: Happy Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally get asked stuff about what I eat. Which is not an issue to talk about since most people in my school have a very limited English vocabulary.
But occasionally people will ask me about my home state, Georgia.
Like, have you seen "Gone with the Wind"?
Is there Tara (from Gone with the Wind) in Georgia?" (I don't know.)
Can you tell me about Yankee's"?
Where is Georgia?" (It's above Florida... everyone knows where Florida is....)
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jackson7



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: Kim Jong Il's Future Fireball

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Alaska and I hear about nothing but snow, Igloos, and cold. Where I live it very rarely gets below 20F in the deep of winter. Korean's hateful winter wind makes this place waaaay colder in the winter, and the summer weather is too hot to be comfortable. What happened to the huge empire Korea had going for it in the old days? How could you end up on the resource-less peninsula with terrible weather? Igloos, man...
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcmarsha wrote:
T-J wrote:
I'm assuming these conversations are taking place in English. At the risk of getting flamed here, you're ranting about what exactly?

If they completely ignore you and carry on in Korean, which is much easier for them to do, is that better?

Is the complaint that their English is restricting their conversations to small talk?

I'm amused that the same people that decry Korean's ignorance of things not Korean turn around and rant about Koreans trying to engage you in conversation about your home town or your interests.

Sorry, I don't get it.


I think you make a very valid point here. It gets frustrating for me sometimes when I get asked the same bland questions day in and day out, but I have to remind myself that the teachers are really just trying to be friendly and speak with me in the best way they know how. I tend to get annoyed rather than appreciate their efforts. Then I'll realize this later and feel bad about myself...it's a vicious cycle.


Too true. Koreans can't win on these boards.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a conversation with my Korean co-worker today about the similarities and differences between Cambodia under Pol Pot and Germany under Hitler and the relative characteristics of people from those countries. In the end, we concluded that children are lucky not to be aware that there really is no such thing as saftey in this world. It was a strange conversation to have with kids playing around.
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I do appreciate the effort that Koreans make in trying to make conversation, I'd appreciate it more if they varied their questions or if they offered up some information about themselves. They never start of the conversation with what's new with them or what they ate for breakfast or what they did that weekend yet they want answers from me. When I ask, they're really vague It usually feels like a one-sided conversation and this is what I don't like more rather than the questioning.
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Gimpokid



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is not meant to be a slam on Koreans. Yes, I'd much rather be asked about fruit then totally ignored.

I don't make a habit of calling Koreans close minded. In reality their knowledge of Califonian agriculture shows me that they are not merely making small talk, but are genuinely interested in something (I just think it's funny that it happens to be fruit.)

I just wanted to hear about other unusual topics of conversation. It just seems that Koreans tend to be interested in the one thing I wouldn't expect to be asked about. Nothing mean spirited, it's just amusing to be asked about fruit all the time.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
I'm assuming these conversations are taking place in English. At the risk of getting flamed here, you're ranting about what exactly?

If they completely ignore you and carry on in Korean, which is much easier for them to do, is that better?

Is the complaint that their English is restricting their conversations to small talk?

I'm amused that the same people that decry Korean's ignorance of things not Korean turn around and rant about Koreans trying to engage you in conversation about your home town or your interests.

Sorry, I don't get it.


Not ranting. Just talking. It's clear part of the problem is that the vocabulary, in many cases, is limited. There is only so much they can ask me and there is only so much I can say in response that they can understand. That's on me for being slow with the Korean. Still, someone asked a question, and I answered it.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starla wrote:
While I do appreciate the effort that Koreans make in trying to make conversation, I'd appreciate it more if they varied their questions or if they offered up some information about themselves. They never start of the conversation with what's new with them or what they ate for breakfast or what they did that weekend yet they want answers from me. When I ask, they're really vague It usually feels like a one-sided conversation and this is what I don't like more rather than the questioning.


This is one of those things I'm still trying to adjust to. Your case sounds a bit different since they won't give you any information in return. But, after I got to know him quite a bit better, my closest coworker told me that, for the first few weeks after we met, he thought I had no interest in knowing him, because he would ask me many personal questions, but I would ask him none in return. For me, it still feels a bit nosy to be asking so many questions rather than waiting for the other party to volunteer information. Just as I still find it hard not to get a bit irritated sometimes when I'm asked about things (what I did last night) that I haven't seen fit to mention.

My coworker explained to me that for Koreans, asking personal questions shows an interest in building a stronger personal relationship, whereas for me, as an American, volunteering personal information serves that purpose. We've been working at the same thing, but coming at it in opposite directions.
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
Starla wrote:
While I do appreciate the effort that Koreans make in trying to make conversation, I'd appreciate it more if they varied their questions or if they offered up some information about themselves. They never start of the conversation with what's new with them or what they ate for breakfast or what they did that weekend yet they want answers from me. When I ask, they're really vague It usually feels like a one-sided conversation and this is what I don't like more rather than the questioning.


This is one of those things I'm still trying to adjust to. Your case sounds a bit different since they won't give you any information in return. But, after I got to know him quite a bit better, my closest coworker told me that, for the first few weeks after we met, he thought I had no interest in knowing him, because he would ask me many personal questions, but I would ask him none in return. For me, it still feels a bit nosy to be asking so many questions rather than waiting for the other party to volunteer information. Just as I still find it hard not to get a bit irritated sometimes when I'm asked about things (what I did last night) that I haven't seen fit to mention.

My coworker explained to me that for Koreans, asking personal questions shows an interest in building a stronger personal relationship, whereas for me, as an American, volunteering personal information serves that purpose. We've been working at the same thing, but coming at it in opposite directions.


I concur with the whole feeling nosy to ask them personal questions. It just would make me feel more comfortable if they opened up to me but I've been doing that most of the time and now, I've kind of stopped because I feel like they're not reciprocating. I don't tell them anymore what I did during the weekend or who I met up with or how we met, etc. because it's frankly none of their business from my American standpoint. Besides, I feel that if I say any more about myself, it'll come back at me in a bad way.

I'm starting to become more aloof and I think this is a reaction to the way individualism and privacy does not play as strong a role here as in the U.S. Here, I feel like I'm under constant watch and scrutiny. This is one of the hardest things to adjust to for me...how I walk down the street and my students yell out "hello teacher" and then every person on the street and their mother looks at me. How my students say hello to me as I open the bathroom stall. How a bank teller who I saw a month before for a brief transaction actually remembered me. Some may like that but I don't find that comforting and I'm not even a celebrity.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading it's not polite to ask an older person questions in Korea, so I usually refrain from doing so with my co-workers. Of course they usually begin any interaction by screaming 우리말잘해!?!?!?! when they want to start a conversation, so I figure I'm not missing much.
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