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[bacasper]

We may soon be seeing one of history's greatest examples of adding insult to injury.

For eight years, we have been forced to sit by helplessly as President George W. Bush and top members of his administration eviscerated the Constitution, broke federal laws, and defied the will of Congress.

Now, President Bush is poised to give each and every one of his accomplices -- from Dick Cheney to Karl Rove to Alberto Gonzales -- a full pardon, ensuring that they will never receive the punishments they deserve for their activities.

Worse, Bush may issue a preemptive "blanket" pardon, covering all officials within his administration without disclosing either the names of the officials involved or the crimes for which they are being absolved.

If this kind of secretive pardon seems wrong to you, please take a moment and send an email to your representatives in Congress immediately:

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2165/t/1027/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26316

The American Freedom Campaign strongly opposes the issuance of preemptive blanket pardons for administration officials who sanctioned torture, rendition, warrantless wiretapping and more. First of all, if these individuals believe they were acting within the law, they have nothing to fear. If they broke laws, then they should suffer the consequences.

In addition, we believe the American people deserve to know which members of the administration were involved in illegal behavior. Should Bush issue a blanket pardon to all administration officials, it will set a precedent under which future presidents may direct illegal behavior for four or eight years and then give all participants in the illegal conduct secretive free passes on his (or her) way out of office.

Congress can, however, stop this most objectionable action before it occurs. The American Freedom Campaign has proposed a Pardons Disclosure Act*, which would force the president to specifically name any political appointees for whom pardons are granted along with the crime or crimes for which they are being pardoned.

To tell your representatives in Congress to support a Pardons Disclosure Act, click on the following link:

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2165/t/1027/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26316

[Cornfed]

The idea would be to extradite them to the countries where the worst of their crimes have been committed so that the people there could hang them. Then any blanket pardon wouldn't matter. Or just run them through their own torture camp and Guantanamo.

[sharkey]

disgusting nation

[Kimbop]

Lots of luck, hippies.

[bacasper]

^God forbid we hold peace and love as values.

[Kimbop]

More like complacency and a smug sense of entitlement.

[Kuros]

[Gopher]

All of your politics suck on this issue -- and this is why democratic politics always lead to instability. You go from arbitrary moment to arbitrary moment on the issues.

[canuckistan]

Isn't the president only capable of pardoning people who have been convicted of a crime?

[Jandar]

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
[USCON Art. II Sec. 2:2]

It would take quite bit to change this, it is an explicit power given to the President as Commander in Chief.

It would take more than an act of congress to infringe upon this power.

The Ratification process itself would take a few years.

[canuckistan]

So it seems kind of ridiculous to speculate about Bush being able to grant pardons in a kind of a weird reverse ex post facto manner.

[Gopher]

Like G. Ford and R. Nixon, Canuckistan...?

[mises]

I'd like to see no pardons but it will never happen. Maybe Gopher is right and it is best to move on. Dunno. But bcasper and sharkey are getting obnoxious.

[canuckistan]

[pkang0202]

Presidents can pardon. That's one of the perks of being President.

Here are Clinton's Pardons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

# Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[3]
# Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)
# Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)
# Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)
# William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)
# Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)
# Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)
# Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
# Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana)
# Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks)
# Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)
# David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
# William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)
# Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback)
# Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback)
# George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)
# Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)
# Leonard Browder (Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)
# David Steven Brown (Securities fraud and mail fraud)
# Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (Possession of Marijuana)
# John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)
# Mary Louise Campbell (Unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps)
# Eloida Candelaria (False information in registering to vote)
# Dennis Sobrevinas Capili (Filing false statements in alien registration)
# Donna Denise Chambers (Intent to distribute cocaine)
# Douglas Eugene Chapman (Bank fraud)
# Ronald Keith Chapman (Bank fraud)
# Francisco Larois Chavez (Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens)
# Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)
# Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton)[3]
# Stuart Harris Cohn (Illegal sale of commodity options)
# David Marc Cooper (Conspiracy to defraud the government)
# Ernest Harley Cox Jr. (Defraud of federally insured savings and loan)
# John F. Cross Jr. (Embezzlement)
# Rickey Lee Cunningham (Intent to distribute marijuana)
# Richard Anthony De Labio (Mail fraud)
# John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)
# Richard Douglas (False statements to a government agent)
# Edward Reynolds Downe (Wire fraud, false income tax returns and securities fraud)
# Marvin Dean Dudley (False statements)
# Larry Lee Duncan
# Galen R. Elmore (Convicted of cattle theft)
# Robert Clinton Fain
# Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
# Alvarez Ferrouillet
# Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)
# William Dennis Fugazy
# Lloyd Reid George
# Louis Goldstein
# Rubye Lee Gordon
# Pincus Green
# Robert Ivey Hamner
# Samuel Price Handley
# Woodie Randolph Handley
# Jay Houston Harmon
# Rick Hendrick
# John Hummingson
# David S. Herdlinger
# Debi Rae Huckleberry
# Warren C. Hultgren Jr.
# Donald Ray James
# Stanley Pruet Jobe
# Ruben H. Johnson
# Linda Jones
# James Howard Lake
# June Louise Lewis
# Salim Bonnor Lewis
# John Leighton Lodwick
# Hildebrando Lopez
# Jose Julio Luaces
# James Timothy Maness
# James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)
# John Robert Martin
# Frank Ayala Martinez
# Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
# John Francis McCormick
# Susan H. McDougal
# Howard Mechanic
# Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
# Samuel Loring Morison
# Charles Wilfred Morgan III
# Richard Anthony Nazzaro
# Charlene Ann Nosenko
# Vernon Raymond Obermeier
# Miguelina Ogalde
# David C. Owen
# Robert W. Palmer
# Kelli Anne Perhosky
# Richard H. Pezzopane
# Orville Rex Phillips
# Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
# James G. Powell
# Norman Lyle Prouse
# Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[4]
# Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
# Charles D. Ravenel
# William Clyde Ray
# Alfredo Luna Regalado
# Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
# Marc Rich
# Howard Winfield Riddle
# Richard Wilson Riley Jr., Cocaine and marijuana charges, His father was Clinton's Education Secretary.[4]
# Samuel Lee Robbins
# Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
# Michael James Rogers
# Anna Louise Ross
# Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal
# Gerald Glen Rust
# Jerri Ann Rust
# Bettye June Rutherford
# Gregory Lee Sands
# Adolph Schwimmer
# Albert A. Seretti Jr.
# Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
# Dennis Joseph Smith
# Gerald Owen Smith
# Stephen A. Smith
# Jimmie Lee Speake
# Charles Bernard Stewart
# Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
# Fife Symington III - former Arizona governor
# Richard Lee Tannehill
# Nicholas C. Tenaglia
# Gary Allen Thomas
# Larry Weldon Todd
# Olga C. Trevino
# Ignatious Vamvouklis
# Patricia A. Van De Weerd
# Christopher V. Wade
# Bill Wayne Warmath
# Jack Kenneth Watson
# Donna Lynn Webb
# Donald William Wells
# Robert H. Wendt
# Jack L. Williams
# Kavin Arthur Williams
# Robert Michael Williams
# Jimmie Lee Wilson
# Thelma Louise Wingate
# Mitchell Couey Wood
# Warren Stannard Wood
# Dewey Worthey
# Rick Allen Yale
# Joseph A. Yasak
# William Stanley Yingling
# Phillip David Young
# Keith Sanders
# Darren Muci