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ManintheMiddle
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buncheonguy imagined:
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| So it seems to me that all of this wonderful help was total BS since he basically paid a whole bunch of money to spread disinformation anyway. |
Man, you're really grasping at straws and straw men here. I find it loathsome that so many detractors of Bush can't at least give the man his due. EVen Nixon deserved his due, but smarmy media types like Dan Rather could never acknowledge it.
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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yeah - it's amazing how many drink the koolaid while the rest of us count the bodies as they pile up - then when it's over and the survivors have to take a number for retribution - the koolaid drinkers stand there, blinking and gasp! you mean something's the matter??
do your research people - if you don't really know the consequences of the actions of the Bush regime - you are either woefully illiterate or in a coma - neither of which anything I or anyone else can do to help you - and that includes posting links and or quotes and or references - do your own homework. this is a discussion forum, I'm not here to offer you my research services for free.
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You were the one claiming that countries were lining up to serve Bush. The onus is on YOU to prove YOUR claim, not ask US to do it for YOU.
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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buncheonguy imagined:
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So it seems to me that all of this wonderful help was total BS since he basically paid a whole bunch of money to spread disinformation anyway.
Man, you're really grasping at straws and straw men here. I find it loathsome that so many detractors of Bush can't at least give the man his due. EVen Nixon deserved his due, but smarmy media types like Dan Rather could never acknowledge it. |
What about Hiter? Should we honour him and give him his due too? Should we honour a criminal at all? |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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You were the one claiming that countries were lining up to serve Bush. The onus is on YOU to prove YOUR claim, not ask US to do it for YOU.
Got that? |
Panel blames White House, not soldiers, for abuse
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press � December 11, 2008
WASHINGTON � The physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was the direct result of Bush administration detention policies and should not be dismissed as the work of bad guards or interrogators, according to a bipartisan Senate report released Thursday.
The Senate Armed Services Committee report concludes that harsh interrogation techniques used by the CIA and the U.S. military were directly adapted from the training techniques used to prepare special forces personnel to resist interrogation by enemies that torture and abuse prisoners. The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.
The report is the result of a nearly two-year investigation that directly links President Bush's policies after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, legal memos on torture, and interrogation rule changes with the abuse photographed at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq four years ago. Much of the report remains classified. Unclassified portions of the report were released by the committee Thursday.
Administration officials publicly blamed the abuses on low-level soldiers_ the work "of a few bad apples." Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., called that "both unconscionable and false."
"The message from top officials was clear; it was acceptable to use degrading and abusive techniques against detainees," Levin said.
Arizona Republican and former prisoner of war Sen. John McCain, called the link between the survival training and U.S. interrogations of detainees inexcusable.
"These policies are wrong and must never be repeated," he said in a statement.
Lawrence Di Rita, a senior aide to former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at the time the Abu Ghraib and other abuses took place, disputed the report.
"This oddly timed report provides no evidence that contradicts more than a dozen other investigations that found that there was no systematic or widespread detainee mismanagement," Di Rita told The AP. "A relatively small number of people abused detainees, and they were brought to justice in criminal or civil proceedings."
The report comes as the Bush administration continues to delay and in some cases bar members of Congress from gaining access to key legal documents and memos about the detainee program, including an August 2002 memo that evaluated whether specific interrogation techniques proposed to be used by the CIA would constitute torture.
That memo, written by Jay Bybee, then-chief of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, was guided in part by an assessment of the psychological effects of resistance survival training on U.S. military personnel. The CIA provided that document to his office, Bybee told the Senate Armed Services Committee in an October letter, obtained by The Associated Press.
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Bucheonguy sputtered on:
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| What about Hiter? Should we honour him and give him his due too? Should we honour a criminal at all? |
You mean Adolf Hitler, not an aficionado of Hite beer? Ah, well, to equate Bush with Hitler is to demonstrate absolutely no sense of historical proportionality. Did you get your degree from a vending machine?
I also reject your charge that Bush is a criminal though I think the war was very misguided. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
You were the one claiming that countries were lining up to serve Bush. The onus is on YOU to prove YOUR claim, not ask US to do it for YOU.
Got that? |
Panel blames White House, not soldiers, for abuse
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press � December 11, 2008
WASHINGTON � The physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was the direct result of Bush administration detention policies and should not be dismissed as the work of bad guards or interrogators, according to a bipartisan Senate report released Thursday.
The Senate Armed Services Committee report concludes that harsh interrogation techniques used by the CIA and the U.S. military were directly adapted from the training techniques used to prepare special forces personnel to resist interrogation by enemies that torture and abuse prisoners. The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.
The report is the result of a nearly two-year investigation that directly links President Bush's policies after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, legal memos on torture, and interrogation rule changes with the abuse photographed at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq four years ago. Much of the report remains classified. Unclassified portions of the report were released by the committee Thursday.
Administration officials publicly blamed the abuses on low-level soldiers_ the work "of a few bad apples." Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., called that "both unconscionable and false."
"The message from top officials was clear; it was acceptable to use degrading and abusive techniques against detainees," Levin said.
Arizona Republican and former prisoner of war Sen. John McCain, called the link between the survival training and U.S. interrogations of detainees inexcusable.
"These policies are wrong and must never be repeated," he said in a statement.
Lawrence Di Rita, a senior aide to former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at the time the Abu Ghraib and other abuses took place, disputed the report.
"This oddly timed report provides no evidence that contradicts more than a dozen other investigations that found that there was no systematic or widespread detainee mismanagement," Di Rita told The AP. "A relatively small number of people abused detainees, and they were brought to justice in criminal or civil proceedings."
The report comes as the Bush administration continues to delay and in some cases bar members of Congress from gaining access to key legal documents and memos about the detainee program, including an August 2002 memo that evaluated whether specific interrogation techniques proposed to be used by the CIA would constitute torture.
That memo, written by Jay Bybee, then-chief of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, was guided in part by an assessment of the psychological effects of resistance survival training on U.S. military personnel. The CIA provided that document to his office, Bybee told the Senate Armed Services Committee in an October letter, obtained by The Associated Press. |
Dude, slow down, take a deep breath and try again. That article mentions NOTHING ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES lining up to serve Bush with criminal charges. I don't know how you failed to miss that, as you even quoted me asking about that. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Casper the Ghost is booing and scaring himself again, alas. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Well, then award him the international medal of AIDS or something, but that of peace?      |
Check the source. It's from Rick Warren. It'd be like Mugabe giving Chavez a N.O.B.E.L (No One But Excrement Lickers) Prize in economics. |
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