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Nierlisse



Joined: 11 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Does this make sense to anyone else?? Reply with quote

This is the response I got from a school when I asked about pension and medical insurance.


"All western teachers from 2009 in *school* must have an insurance and pension. Only if teachers don't want to have them, then the school let them not have them.

As you ask us that 3.3% is the independent contrator. Yes, it is. But, this is not against by Korean laws.

If you choose not to have an insurance and pension, you are responsible for payment of all personal taxes on the your salary according to their Governments laws (approximately 3.3% or teacher�s gross income) and the Institute will be responsible for the payment of taxes to the Korean Government. In case of sick, one half the amount of the premium for medical insurance will be given to the teacher by the Institute (Maximum 200,000 won in Korean Currency) only if hospital fees apply. The school will not pay for the teacher�s chronic disease and test fee for teacher�s private health care.

If you choose to have an insurance and pension, you are responsible for payment of all income taxes on the Teacher's salary according to their Governments laws (approximately 7.49% or teacher�s gross income and you have to pay the cost of pension(4.5% of your gross income) and insurance(2.54% of your gross income) coverage and the costs of this coverage will be half by employer and half by employee.You will be covered by medical benefits under the Korean Medical Insurance Union, a Government Health Organization."

Why will my tax rate go up from 3.3% to 7.49% if I choose to have pension and medical insurance? Why do they say we must have those and then in the next sentence, say it is optional? Is this just a bad translation or has everything I've learned in my 6 months of researching ESL in Korea been wrong? I wanted to make sure I was not getting the "independent contractor" tax rate and now I'm being told that my rate will be 3.3% and it's just a coincidence that they are the same. Which could be true, for all I know. But this reply I received about the rest does not reassure me otherwise.

Please, someone tell me if I am wrong or if the school is wrong here.
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Does this make sense to anyone else?? Reply with quote

Nierlisse wrote:


Why will my tax rate go up from 3.3% to 7.49% if I choose to have pension and medical insurance? Why do they say we must have those and then in the next sentence, say it is optional?


why? because they're full of crap. pass on this one.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Does this make sense to anyone else?? Reply with quote

Nierlisse wrote:
This is the response I got from a school when I asked about pension and medical insurance.


Don't sign with them!

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"All western teachers from 2009 in *school* must have an insurance and pension. Only if teachers don't want to have them, then the school let them not have them.


Nice try. You must have insurance and you must have a pension plan.

Quote:
As you ask us that 3.3% is the independent contrator. Yes, it is. But, this is not against by Korean laws.


They're liars. You cannot be an independent contractor on an E-series visa. The rest of their response is just more malarkey.

What's the name of this despicable outfit?
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Does this make sense to anyone else?? Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Nierlisse wrote:
This is the response I got from a school when I asked about pension and medical insurance.


Don't sign with them!

Quote:
"All western teachers from 2009 in *school* must have an insurance and pension. Only if teachers don't want to have them, then the school let them not have them.


Nice try. You must have insurance and you must have a pension plan.

Quote:
As you ask us that 3.3% is the independent contrator. Yes, it is. But, this is not against by Korean laws.


They're liars. You cannot be an independent contractor on an E-series visa. The rest of their response is just more malarkey.

What's the name of this despicable outfit?


CentralCali is absolutely correct - you cannot be an independent contractor on an E2 Visa, and your school has no choice but to pay into pension & national health insurance.

There are several half-truths in the message they wrote to you, but, the bottom line is: if you work for this school, you will most certainly regret it.

The thing to remember, while doing reams of research as you have been, is that knowing the ins & outs of how you might be suckered is the less important part of the equation. The most important part is finding a school and a contract that is so straightforward and clear that there is simply little room for "misunderstandings" or "mistranslations".

Keep it simple:
E2 VISA = national health + pension + standard tax rate + sick days + vacation days + national holidays + airfare + apartment + mustache fee waiver form. Those things are minimums, with no room for "Only if teachers don't want to have them, then the school let them not have them". If you accept anything less than what's in the above equation, then the risk that your school is not on the up-and-up in other ways increases dramatically.

Public School contracts are usually clear, thorough, and pretty good. For hagwon contracts, you're going to need to dig much deeper, and you can certainly do better than the school in question.

Best of luck!
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have they pulled the following on you yet, "Oh, you don't need to talk to other teachers about this"? Or, "You shouldn't compare your contract with others. Our deal is different (and special?)" Very Happy Very Happy

If not, they will.
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name and shame this school.
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wheredowego



Joined: 14 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Imagine if, back home, a company wrote something like "if you choose to opt into [said benefits required by law]..."
You could sue them and win without even taking the job in the first place!
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SharkDiver



Joined: 08 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Does this make sense to anyone else?? Reply with quote

Nierlisse wrote:
Why will my tax rate go up from 3.3% to 7.49% if I choose to have pension and medical insurance?


The extra tax money they will pocket and use to pay their part of the pension. So you will be paying their portion.

They sound like crooks. Is this OEDAE Language Institute in Suwon (Maetan Dong) by any chance?
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