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Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| I hate Amway with a passion. Twice now, I've been hookwinked into attending one of their presenations, believing it was something other than what the people reported. The second time, I even asked straight out, "Is this Amway" when some of the minor details were being discussed, but not enough details to really give it away, and I was told "no". Then I am driven to this "meeting" and sure enough, it's Amway. I was so pissed off as I had actually taken time out of my weekend to attend that meeting, having been told it was actually a recruitment for an actual full time job in my field. That whole room of people is lucky it is still alive today. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Amway isn't your average MLM. I come from very close to Amway's breadbasket. I know several people who are members. All of them are people who are union members, teachers, housewife book clubbers, or volunteers of some kind who found a group of half a dozen or so people who said "I like Amway products and I would buy them if they weren't so damned expensive." So they get one person to join Amway and they all buy their quota of cruft every month. It's all happy.
I've never been suckered into a meeting with them and I don't know anyone who has. I just see housewares, pots and pans, soap, whatever, and I go 'hay, this is nice, where'd you get it?' and they're like 'Amway! I can get you shit if you want it, but if you want a lot of shit you should join, and I can do that too, let me know.' I bought a frypan for my mom one year off them as a gift. Nobody I know has ever gotten rich off it, but nobody has lost their shirt either. |
You make it sound like a religion. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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We buy Amway toothpaste. It's got floride, which can be difficult to find in many toothpastes in Korea (and I hate the white goop Arm & Hammer leaves in my mouth the rest of the day).
We buy it online, though. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
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Amway isn't your average MLM. I come from very close to Amway's breadbasket. I know several people who are members. All of them are people who are union members, teachers, housewife book clubbers, or volunteers of some kind who found a group of half a dozen or so people who said "I like Amway products and I would buy them if they weren't so damned expensive." So they get one person to join Amway and they all buy their quota of cruft every month. It's all happy.
I've never been suckered into a meeting with them and I don't know anyone who has. I just see housewares, pots and pans, soap, whatever, and I go 'hay, this is nice, where'd you get it?' and they're like 'Amway! I can get you shit if you want it, but if you want a lot of shit you should join, and I can do that too, let me know.' I bought a frypan for my mom one year off them as a gift. Nobody I know has ever gotten rich off it, but nobody has lost their shirt either. |
You make it sound like a religion. |
Might be, but unlike Christians, Amway members don't annoy the piss out of me. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it's a straight up pyramid scheme. They do enough soft shoeing to keep it legal. But at the end of the day, it's about selling new memberships, not selling product to people. I believe the deal is you need to sell x amount a month to keep your place in the pyramid. And by "sell" I mean you need to buy x amount and try and sell it that month. Most people end up just buying $50 of crap every month and storing it in their basement to keep being part of the chain |
uh..no..not at all.
Its not remotely a straight up pyramid scheme. Straight up pyramid schemes are very basic and the system for making money in amway is rather complicated.
You get points for consumption and you also get trickle down points on the consumption of people you recruit, and the people they recruit. You have to consume a basic amount yourself (which is quite low) to get those points off the other people. My father was quite in to it when I was young, not any more. Quixtar is their online component, still amyway for the brick and mortar.
What makes it non pyramid is that the people who you sign up can make more money than you, because you're only getting a tiny percentage of their points. While it often works out to look like a pyramid, in theory it doesn't have to be. You might have a situation where one guy joins..doesn't do much but happens to sign up a serious go-getter. He builds a killer business and the guy who signed him doesn't do much else, but he gets a few points off him, and maybe makes enough to pay for the stuff he buys each month, meanwhile the other guy could be living it up.
some of the models are fairly basic, and you don't need big consumption to make a nice supplemental income. the popular one when my father was in it, was a model of you signing up 5 people and them each signing up 5 people and you all concern a % of our groceries through amyway products. something like 20%. Sounds like a pyramid, but any of those 5 could easily grow to be bigger than you depending on what is under them. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Just join a big church and market it through your sunday buddies. It worked for this guy from my town in Canada as he made millions. His last name is Janz and is way up that pyramid. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Bradley Daiquiri wrote: |
http://www.apollowebworks.com/amway/amintro.html
happy reading. you're friend is in trouble. |
This appears to be extremely old and out of date.
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| It has to be, because no one is allowed to directly buy products from Amway except Amway distributors, who are STRONGLY discouraged by their upline from reselling to nondistributors. |
Even when my father was in this in the early/mid 90s this wasn't discouraged. It was encouraged. It is one of the ways someone below you can make more money than you.
Amyway has a lot of problems. One problem is that its a business made for sellers, and most people are not good salespeople. The people who are good sales people already have jobs in companies making good money.
They are extremely rigid on the "system" and fanatical about motivation. They figure if you're motivated you'll do well. Problem is most people can't maintain that level of motivation. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Straphanger wrote: |
Amway isn't your average MLM. I come from very close to Amway's breadbasket. I know several people who are members. All of them are people who are union members, teachers, housewife book clubbers, or volunteers of some kind who found a group of half a dozen or so people who said "I like Amway products and I would buy them if they weren't so damned expensive." So they get one person to join Amway and they all buy their quota of cruft every month. It's all happy.
I've never been suckered into a meeting with them and I don't know anyone who has. I just see housewares, pots and pans, soap, whatever, and I go 'hay, this is nice, where'd you get it?' and they're like 'Amway! I can get you shit if you want it, but if you want a lot of shit you should join, and I can do that too, let me know.' I bought a frypan for my mom one year off them as a gift. Nobody I know has ever gotten rich off it, but nobody has lost their shirt either. |
You make it sound like a religion. |
It is. Rick Ross' cult watch includes a folder for it.
I love this bit from wiki:
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| Amway was involved with an urban legend that the (old) Procter & Gamble service mark was in fact a Satanic symbol or that the CEO of P&G is himself a practicing Satanist. (In some variants of the urban legend, it is also claimed that the CEO of Procter & Gamble donated "satanic tithes" to the Church of Satan.)[39] Procter & Gamble alleged that several Amway distributors [40] were behind a resurgence of the urban legend in the 1990s and sued several independent Amway distributors and the parent company for defamation and slander. The distributors had used Amway's Amvox voice messaging service to send the rumor [41] to their downline distributors in April of 1995. After more than a decade of lawsuits in multiple states, by 2003 all allegations against Amway and Amway distributors had been dismissed.[citation needed] However, in October 2005 a Utah appeals court reversed part of the decision dismissing the case against four Amway distributors, and remanded it to the lower court for further proceedings.[42] On 20 March 2007, Procter & Gamble was awarded $19.25M by a U.S. District Court jury in Salt Lake City, in the lawsuit filed against four Amway distributors in 1995.[43][44] |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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http://skepdic.com/amway.html
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| In the United States, the Federal Trade Commission requires Amway to label its products with the message that 54% of Amway recruits make nothing and the rest earn on average $65 a month. |
I remember some idiot on Dave's trying to convince esl teachers to join his amway like scheme. It was the stupidest sell in the world. If you wanted to do something illegal in Korea to earn money, you could just teach for $50 an hour and have to do almost zero selling yourself. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I only read the original post.
AMWAY is just a company that produces it's own soap and other similar stuff. The idea is that you get other people to also buy their products...and you buy it in bulk. The more people you get involved, the cheaper your soap gets.
I think if you are really an anal penny-pincher with A LOT of FREE TIME on your hands...(usually housewives who don't work consider Amway for a way to socialize and something to do with their time while saving a little bit of money on groceries).
For 99% of the people on the planet, i.e. working people who have jobs to go to, then it is MUCH MUCH easier to just buy your soap for a few pennies more, than spending hours of your week trying to get involved in Amway to save a few pennies. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea is that you get other people to also buy their products...and you buy it in bulk. |
I think you're thinking about Avon, not Amway.. |
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Thwartley
Joined: 19 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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People I've come across in life who has been involved with Amway have been some of the most brainless, moronic, malleable, simplistic, simple-minded fucks I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.
Simpering, phony, shit-heads of the highest order.
I openly mock these po-faced, diseased cunt flaps whenever they try their horseshit out on me. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Thwartley wrote: |
People I've come across in life who has been involved with Amway have been some of the most brainless, moronic, malleable, simplistic, simple-minded fucks I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.
Simpering, phony, shit-heads of the highest order.
I openly mock these po-faced, diseased cunt flaps whenever they try their horseshit out on me. |
Joe Thanks is no longer selling Amway; he died.
On another cheery note, today is the first of the twelve days of Christmas! |
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husky
Joined: 22 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I just received somes texts from my friend who is currently attending an Amway event.
She said her friend who took her there wasn't honest with her, and now they are trying to sell her membership. I think it's hilarious. SHe really has got p*** for brains.
Anyway, what makes it funnier is that there is another 5 hours or so left of this AMway 'event'. I'm looking forward to finding out what her state of mind will be at the end. WIll she be sucked in, or will she be an angry, hate filled mess?
Thankfully I have my Saturday free to enjoy at my leisure.I should buy her some common sense down the chonwon shop. |
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